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explode the bazaars your e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranormal

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night last night now your electrifying

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hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

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Beckley and Tim Schwartz Tim Tim I I see

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you you're doing some heavy meditation

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there I hate to break in but this week's

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exploring the bizarre is about to begin

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oh I'm trying to send my prayers upward

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to heaven so we can all experience a

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miracle huh really

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now I didn't know you were that much

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into chanting and saying prayers so are

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you a believer well I do know there are

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miracles that miracles do occur from

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time to time it's a miracle

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for example that I'm still alive oh well

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I think I guessed that I can confirm the

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yeah I guess I would agree yeah yeah you

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know I we published a couple of books on

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the miracles of miracle a minute and I'm

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really Andrea who's our house psychic

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and clairvoyant she's written quite a

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bit on meditating with candles and so

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forth she'll be out in a couple of weeks

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so mm-hmm I have to say I'm not a very

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as you know I'm not a very religious

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person but miracles whatever causes the

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to occur do happen from time to time and

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I'm sure there are many kinds of

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miracles I mean a praying or a chanting

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to produce a miracle is probably only

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part of the phenomena and I'm sure we'll

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get into the whole gamut of miracles of

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this evening with our fabulous guest

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sent in tell us who we have on tonight

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Oh will be my pleasure tonight for the

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first time on exploring the bizarre is

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Kevin cook now I've known Kevin for for

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quite a while now and I've been on his

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his show a number of times but Kevin

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cook is a student of the paranormal and

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a former minister now apart of

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converting to Catholicism he experienced

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some very moving paranormal events and

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this encouraged him to investigate

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Marian apparitions a topic that has

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always interested him now he has a BA

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from Upper Iowa University a master's in

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theology from a prostitute seminary and

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he's been accepted at the Franciscan

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University graduate school of theology

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there Kevin is the host of the podcast

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the Kevin cook show Tuesday nights on

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the late nights of the midlands radio

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network and he's also the author of the

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book Marian apparitions are real visits

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of Jesus and Mary also with us tonight

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is Paul II know Paul's been on the show

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a number of times it's always great to

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have him with us now Paul's the one of

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the first paranormal investigators of

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the early 1970s beginning while he was

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studying for the priesthood his early

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mem mentors include included

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parapsychology pioneer dr. Louisa Rhine

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John J Nicola SJ who is the technical

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adviser for the film The Exorcist and

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first generation grandparents of ghost

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hunting ed and Lorraine Warren Warren

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now along with the son band Paul is the

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host of behind the paranormal heard

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on w oon am/fm Providence Boston Paul

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has appeared on the Travel Channel

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discovery in History Channel's

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and of course his own radio show

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and he is author of such books as behind

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the paranormal everything you know is

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wrong and behind the paranormal -

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Bigfoot Mothman and monsters you've

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never heard of and of course this was

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written along with his son Ben so Paul

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and Kevin thank you very much for being

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with us tonight

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on exploring the bizarre well thank you

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Tim and Timothy well it's good to be

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it certainly is I look forward to it

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well I I think we should start out since

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before perhaps we should start the

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questioning and aim it in his direction

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keV okay how would you define a miracle

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well a miracle is something that's out

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of time and place it's not well and that

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mean you could say it's a miracle that

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someone's saved from an accident or

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something but some of the things I

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experienced as a lead-up to writing the

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book and since and for the many years

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since then have been truly let's just

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say they would defy the laws of

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coincidence for one I'll give you one

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little story before I got into the the

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more significant ones that led to the

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write-up of the book but about a year

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ago I was in Mass and about halfway

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through it I started feeling a pit of

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the stomach you know gripping kind of

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feeling about a guy that was like a

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second father to me back in Atlanta

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where we had a business and you know

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this struck me odd because the old boy

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was like a second father uncle kind of

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figure but I mean there was nothing said

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during the course of the service that

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would lead you to think of this guy

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particularly or whatever

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and anywhere I kind of shook it off but

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it was weird but I I walk out to the

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parking lot of the church and park Breck

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next to my vehicle was a vehicle and

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understand this isn't a suburb town of

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Fort Worth and park right next to my

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vehicle was a vehicle from Atlanta

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Fulton County Georgia and I've never in

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the 14 years of it going there seen a

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vehicle from Georgia I mean it's not

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impossible no but I mean given with the

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substance of the previous events

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something like that defies logic and I

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could go there for a hundred thousand

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years and not have that replicated and

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for those who don't know me I'm just an

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old East Coast salesman I'm not overly

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emotional or anything like that and you

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know after all the guy's been dead for

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25 years I mean it isn't like but this

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was so strong a a pit of grieving that

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it was like somebody called you and your

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sister was just killed an auto accident

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or something that on that it that

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intensity of it and that's not like me

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I'm just not that kind of guy so I mean

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those and similar other things well you

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know I've got I've got my in story when

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I won't go into great detail here

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because I have I've talked about it on

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the air where I spent the the weekend

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with a fellow down in Tucson Tucson who

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was the former librarian for the now

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long since the fun group the area

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phenomenal research organization

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otherwise known as afro for short and

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they were a very prestigious

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organization they were the first group

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really to accept at face value some of

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the weirder humanoid cases that were

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coming in from South America mainly

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little people and hairy drawers and

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things along that line and and so I

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spent the two or three days with the

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Allan Benz he was the library and

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because I was interested in the history

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of the group and he knew it pretty well

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well after the spending in a couple of

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days with him I hopped in the vehicle

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with my friend Charla

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we drove down to Sedona now nobody knew

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that we were going there and before

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hitting town we drove into a the

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restaurant that's just on the outskirts

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of the city which is the coffee pot

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where you can get a hundred and three

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kinds of omelets well the first couple

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of dozen are pretty cool but by time you

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get to 103 you're down to peanut butter

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and jelly and and what have you almost

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maybe for some some people like the

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bizarre when it comes to us okay so we

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finish our meal have a Bloody Mary and

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we go back out to the parking lot and we

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go to get into her automobile and lo and

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behold there is a the card neck so it is

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kind of sticking out of the little bit

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of the further than it should be and we

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happen to notice the license plate and

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defunct for at least 25 years nobody

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knew that we were going to Sedona and

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even if they did how would they know

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what kind of car we were parking them

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where we were going for lunch and I have

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proof of this because there's a

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photograph of the license plate

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you know all over the internet this is

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one of the synchronicities that I that I

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tell and I guess synchronicities and

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coincidences to me would be my miracles

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because I've had enough to fill a 450

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page book on the on the subject so

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obviously that's a part of it and you

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know but most people I would think think

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of miracles is like you're praying to to

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God or something and getting a response

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does that happen as well it does it does

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we a very funny one happened on a

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lighter version of miracle about say but

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I've been a Catholic for about 15 years

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approximately and

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what happened is I was in Barnes & Noble

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because every now and then what I'll do

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is I'll get a cup of coffee make some

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sales calls like a pit stop and at the

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time they had a reading table and about

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you know four easy chairs arranged

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around it and people could look at

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magazines etc

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and the woman and her boyfriend are

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talking across from me and I'm not

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paying really any attention but she

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starts talking okay and understand I was

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in the process of joining the Catholic

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Church is called the RCI a program for

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Christians from other denominations and

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what happened was she said yeah I'm a

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Catholic just like him pointing at me

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and understand I wasn't reading any

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religious books

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I wasn't didn't have any crucifixes on

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or anything else and you could also go

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there off for a fifty thousand years and

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never have that happen but there is a

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content to the experiences I've had that

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have been they've been periodic like

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every six to twelve months and they're

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all ranged around the Catholic Church

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and the best one I had of course was the

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one that led up to the book was I was

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really on a real estate buying a mission

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up to upstate New York and I was in well

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I was well if you know fultonville is

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off highway 90 or well for any rate for

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those enough my highway 90 leads of the

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up you know goes across the state of New

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York in the top section and it's a ghost

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you know say Albany to Syracuse and so

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forth and anyway what happened was I I

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stopped into on the way you know I was

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gonna spend the night in fultonville and

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then flat Albany on the next day and I

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just had a three day so I was gonna play

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some tourist in the Mohawk Valley around

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there and I came and I came across Our

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Lady of martyrs shrine in norrisville

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and anyway you know I convert to

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Catholicism not too very long ago before

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that so I figured well just see what's

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going on and what happened was I smelt

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the overpowering and walking the grounds

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an overpowering absolute smell of roses

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that were cloying I mean I sell plants

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and flowers for a living trees

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what-have-you and I know I could been in

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a the pot the intensity of it was such

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I could have been in a rose you know a

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greenhouse full of roses and it wouldn't

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have been as strong as that and I went

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on and on this was kind of weirding me

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out because it was breezy it was a

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foothills day and Ron Dex and there's no

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services going on no incense no nothing

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and finally I went in the bookstore and

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what happened was I he you know I asked

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the woman what was going on and she said

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you smelled it too and I said yeah and

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she looked like I'd slapped her and what

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happened is every six to twelve months

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someone would stumble into the bookstore

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- Museum up there and with a similar

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experience it's called the odor of

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sanctity and she even she even showed me

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on grounds they don't map of the grounds

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that where I'd probably smelled it in

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most intent and the intensives form and

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that was where the first rosary was said

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likes it or you know circa 1640 or so in

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that area and like I say I still was

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suffering from being out of Texas for

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about two or three days and I have sinus

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problems and allergies here and there

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were no roses around maybe three or four

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acres of wet know 20 acres away there

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were maybe a handful of roses right a

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statue but a bloodhound couldn't

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probably smell those this was a powerful

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event that was you know and I don't and

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I really wasn't that familiar with the

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odor of sanctity at that time and it

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just hit me from the blindside but like

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I say it's been replicated over and over

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and over and over you know also to the

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the scent of roses Paul I think you

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would agree with me has also been noted

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a quite a few spiritualist seances in

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the old days also too you know we do

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have a lady I believe she is now

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deceased in Queens in New York here who

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had services at the old I guess other

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grounds of the old World's Fair in

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Queens and she claimed that she was you

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know channeling I guess mother Mary and

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she had roses falling I guess from the

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sky or around her or something that was

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reported I mean I've seen photographs

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but that doesn't really prove anything

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except

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she did get a quite a bit of attention

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at the at the time and she has a lot of

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Queens I'm thinking about it it was got

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a negative assessment the Queen's yeah

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from the chair the chair would you say

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that whatever the church says is the

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final assessment on everything no but

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they do a pretty uh in this case yes I

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do as a matter of fact and they're very

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exhausting in their approval process and

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I remember the Queen's when it was bogus

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in some ways but what I'm saying is that

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this has been replicated for like 2,000

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years yes and I mean I don't care if a

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couple bozo psychics somewhere had

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something similar odd yeah see that's

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that's kind of what I dislike about

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people who are so overly religious is

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that your religion is ok but everybody

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else's is is not quite up to up to par I

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mean there were some miracles that were

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performed in the spiritualist the you

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know Roman spiritualism that had been

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fairly well documented although denied

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by the scientific community as well as

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I'm sure miracles that have happened

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around the church Evans as well but ok

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so Fatima I'm pretty familiar with in

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fact I've written about the third

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prophecy of Fatima which really isn't

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that much as a secret as people think

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because sister lucia wrote a diary that

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was published i mean that 15 years

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before her death and she talked about

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this i mean she talked about all the

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events that had happened to her

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including the that particular prophecy

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now would you say that her prophecies

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were were fairly accurate some things

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the early ones were course the illusions

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that were given about to Russia and its

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errors and so forth you know events the

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children were told the there's a whole

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whole controversy over that people

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called you know the people that people

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been saying that the Third Secret has

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never been adequately explained and and

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I think you know and roughly

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the year 2000 that was supposed to have

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been oh you know the something about a

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that attack on the Pope or something

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like that that assassination attempt but

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there's bit there's a whole slew of

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people called Fatima that are conspiracy

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theorists in it and it's unclear exactly

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where the church has been forthcoming in

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whatever was revealed to it so it's it's

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a matter of controversy actually there's

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a new movie that documentary that's just

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been released on the the subject I

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haven't had a chance to see it but I

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actually think it came out yesterday and

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we hope to have the no I producer yeah

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yeah yeah and should be interesting to

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see yeah question though we did a video

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is well the secrets of the Vatican

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because I did go there as well

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and you know you talk about like

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miracles and Fatima and all but the

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Catholic Church I said I think to some

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degree have accepted a little bit more

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paranormal phenomena or what we would

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consider to be paranormal phenomena then

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most of the other Christian them faced a

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lot of whom see anything strange as

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being a demonic in origin which I kind

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of think it's not necessarily the case

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some of it might be negative spirits but

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not necessarily everything now outs

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outside of Fatima which is a very well

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known and maybe tell us just a little

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listening who are not familiar with the

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with the apparitions there you just tell

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us a little bit about what happened back

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in was in 1917 1917 and Portugal yes it

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was kind of hurled Portugal and the

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Virgin Mary essentially made herself or

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showed herself to these three children

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sister Lucia was the only one that could

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converse with her and there was two

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other younger children and these were

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peasant children and she wound up

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hearing on the grounds they're the 13th

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of every month for a succession of six

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months culminating in the October 13th

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final apparition and she gave a series

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of you know prophecies if you will to

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Lucia and like I said mostly about the

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coming business with Russia and its

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errors as she spoke of a sign in the sky

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that would be the precursor to world war

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two and actually Hitler himself actually

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said that once he saw BEC this garden

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where his lair was that he said now we

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can begin there's something like this

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that was the kickoff to the Second World

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War and there were you know interesting

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comments made and but what was also

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interesting was these crowds grew and

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grew and grew so that by the time the

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final apparition on October 13th 1917

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occurred the crowds were roughly eighty

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to a hundred thousand people and

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interestingly the government Portugal

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was anti Catholic Church because they

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thought they were the uh you know the

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protectors of the status quo or whatever

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and what it was is they infiltrated the

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crowd with a lot of people to try to

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debunk it and none of them did

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matter of fact there were a lot of

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conversions to it and the final event

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was pretty well you know visited by

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reporters and what-have-you

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very interesting photograph photographed

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a moving movement of the Sun supposedly

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coming closer to the earth and that even

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try to even dried up the right of the

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rain because there been heavy yes yeah

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yeah yeah dried up their clothing and

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that was kind of bizarre too but but

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there have been some other aerial

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displays and other apparitions like

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Patania and 1980s in Venezuela and a

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couple others but the an interesting

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group is the International Marion

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Research Institute they're part of the

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University of Dayton and they they

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helped me with a lot of my research and

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developing the background of the book

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and there's like 10 to 15 apparitional

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events occurring almost continually in

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one part of the world or another I mean

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every year how how about the the ones in

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the Egypt are you familiar yes mm-hmm

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alright are they yeah well no they did

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have another spate of them that occurred

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in another area around that area outside

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of Cairo in 2009 but the site owned one

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was the actually the most witnessed of

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all the apparitional events it's been at

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it's been estimated that 14 million

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people saw this outside st. Mark's

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Coptic Church in the suburb of Cairo

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zeitoun in Egypt and and very well very

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well photographed all very well

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photographed

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if you look on the internet you can see

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you know when they saw the you know a

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person over the church and my juggling

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gentleman we need to we need to go to

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our bottom for the hour break but we'll

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have to bring this subject back to them

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again when we come back so stay tuned

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for more now back to exploring the

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bazaars

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with two of the most electrifying

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researchers in the Paranoid your hosts

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all right welcome back to exploring the

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bazaar our guests tonight are Kevin cook

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and Paul you know and we're gonna bring

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Paul into the conversation now and I

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wonder I want to continue talking about

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the the Marian event in in Egypt for a

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little bit longer because I've always

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been fascinated by this one I mean I'm

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I'm old enough unfortunately to remember

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when this actually happened and and

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Kevin I mean you can you can join in

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with comments about this as well but but

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but Paul the this event was rather

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unique I mean I can't I can't think of

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any other case similar to that that was

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as well photographed I mean I guess that

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there was even a 16 millimeter film

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taken at the time but not only were

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there Christians viewing this event but

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there was a large majority of Muslim

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residents in the in the area who

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witnessed this event as well and as

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opposed to some of the other marian

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events this was seen by such a large

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crowd when some of the other ones tend

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to be more personal and and usually

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children are the ones who who see these

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events this one didn't involve any kind

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of communication as opposed to some of

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the more personal ones why do you think

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that and I know this is a speculation

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but why do you think that this event was

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so unique and and so spectacular

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well good luck good luck answering that

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right first of all it's a great great

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pleasure to be on with my two friends

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the two Tim's and my very good friend

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Kevin cook it's a real pleasure this

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evening to do that

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on the other hand my views are a little

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different as you might all suspect does

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I tune the events where you really put

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your finger on it they attend because

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they were in our unique and but they

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their unique a bit for a number of

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reasons one is that miracles which are

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viewed now I'll give you a little

543
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:48,360
background Kevin left the Protestant

544
00:26:52,430 --> 00:26:50,850
world to join the Roman Catholic world I

545
00:26:55,399 --> 00:26:52,440
left the Roman Catholic world to join

546
00:26:57,849 --> 00:26:55,409
the Orthodox world okay while in the

547
00:27:00,830 --> 00:26:57,859
seminary which was not taken too well

548
00:27:03,139 --> 00:27:00,840
but the the Roman Catholics and

549
00:27:04,580 --> 00:27:03,149
Protestants theologically and

550
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:04,590
historically are much closer together

551
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:06,450
than the Orthodox arts are either of

552
00:27:10,580 --> 00:27:07,129
them

553
00:27:13,460 --> 00:27:10,590
orthodoxy has a lot you know I had to

554
00:27:16,399 --> 00:27:13,470
make a complete revolution in thought

555
00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:16,409
total revolution and thought that

556
00:27:21,499 --> 00:27:19,529
included a new understanding early if

557
00:27:24,649 --> 00:27:21,509
it's the correctness of miracles okay

558
00:27:26,330 --> 00:27:24,659
now there's a tune events were unusual

559
00:27:29,450 --> 00:27:26,340
particularly because as you as Tim

560
00:27:32,029 --> 00:27:29,460
mentioned they it didn't matter what

561
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:32,039
your beliefs were you saw this very

562
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:36,090
often you know usually the God seems to

563
00:27:42,229 --> 00:27:39,570
take people where they are at as we used

564
00:27:43,399 --> 00:27:42,239
to say in the Western world which of the

565
00:27:45,169 --> 00:27:43,409
world of the Roman Catholics and

566
00:27:48,379 --> 00:27:45,179
Protestants many of the miracles center

567
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:48,389
around the Passion of Christ his his

568
00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:51,690
death and his death and and you know

569
00:27:55,729 --> 00:27:53,220
that this stigmata your the appearance

570
00:27:58,460 --> 00:27:55,739
of the wounds of Christ that he receives

571
00:28:01,279 --> 00:27:58,470
on Calvary appearing on the body of

572
00:28:03,470 --> 00:28:01,289
someone who was uh sometimes considered

573
00:28:05,869 --> 00:28:03,480
kind of you know isn't too happy about

574
00:28:09,019 --> 00:28:05,879
it you know but that that happened here

575
00:28:12,769 --> 00:28:09,029
in Woonsocket Rhode Island where I live

576
00:28:15,470 --> 00:28:12,779
and this 1920s and 30s young girl it was

577
00:28:16,450 --> 00:28:15,480
as a follow me she's not canonized but

578
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:16,460
that's a long story

579
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:18,690
however the Muslims have no such

580
00:28:22,580 --> 00:28:20,850
tradition of the Orthodox on the other

581
00:28:25,099 --> 00:28:22,590
hand the the miracles and the

582
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:25,109
spirituality seemed to sort of revolve

583
00:28:28,940 --> 00:28:27,090
around the resurrection of Christ it's

584
00:28:30,289 --> 00:28:28,950
not the one is wrong and the other is

585
00:28:32,509 --> 00:28:30,299
right it just if that's just how the

586
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:32,519
traditions develop them it's just you

587
00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:33,410
know it's not

588
00:28:36,970 --> 00:28:36,049
not a better run but the Muslims are not

589
00:28:40,510 --> 00:28:36,980
part of any of that

590
00:28:44,289 --> 00:28:40,520
however the Muslims I have in Quran

591
00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:44,299
their scriptures which talks more about

592
00:28:55,870 --> 00:28:48,049
the Virgin Mary than the Bible does Mary

593
00:28:58,930 --> 00:28:55,880
has okay yeah we can hear you you've

594
00:28:59,260 --> 00:28:58,940
just kind of gotten echoey there oh I'm

595
00:29:02,350 --> 00:28:59,270
sorry

596
00:29:03,630 --> 00:29:02,360
okay well I'll do what I can do that

597
00:29:07,330 --> 00:29:03,640
sounds better

598
00:29:10,299 --> 00:29:07,340
I'll get out of the water pipe here I'll

599
00:29:13,210 --> 00:29:10,309
speak more slowly but the the Muslims

600
00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:13,220
talk more in the Quran there's more

601
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:15,710
information about the Virgin Mary or the

602
00:29:22,750 --> 00:29:20,330
Theotokos the the god Bearer who as the

603
00:29:24,730 --> 00:29:22,760
Greeks and the Orthodox call then there

604
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:24,740
is in the Bible and one of the things

605
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:27,440
that says in the Bible is they don't

606
00:29:31,570 --> 00:29:29,210
recognize Christ as God they honor

607
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:31,580
Christ as a prophet or Jesus as a

608
00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:34,730
prophet and the outer his mother but

609
00:29:38,260 --> 00:29:36,110
they don't know don't believe about her

610
00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:38,270
what some Christians believe of the

611
00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:39,710
Orthodox and the Roman Catholics all

612
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:41,510
believe you know there's very very

613
00:29:45,130 --> 00:29:42,650
special

614
00:29:47,409 --> 00:29:45,140
you've been being a mother of Christ a

615
00:29:48,580 --> 00:29:47,419
very very special place in the

616
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:48,590
spirituality and there's a great

617
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:50,570
devotion to her among the Roman

618
00:29:55,870 --> 00:29:53,600
Catholics and the authorized okay but to

619
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:55,880
have a miracle occur that is outside

620
00:30:02,200 --> 00:29:57,770
one's tradition is very unusual because

621
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:02,210
I think we participate in all things

622
00:30:06,159 --> 00:30:04,370
that are unusual and paranormal and

623
00:30:07,810 --> 00:30:06,169
miracles which I think as a course or a

624
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:07,820
step above if they're legitimate are a

625
00:30:12,669 --> 00:30:09,650
step above seeing a ghost or something

626
00:30:15,370 --> 00:30:12,679
like that so in Zeitoun Moslems saw her

627
00:30:21,580 --> 00:30:15,380
too and that as Tim said makes it very

628
00:30:23,620 --> 00:30:21,590
very unusual ah the one wonders if it's

629
00:30:26,770 --> 00:30:23,630
not a sort of a Mothman Prophecies thing

630
00:30:30,930 --> 00:30:26,780
because the cops in Egypt are a heavily

631
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:30,940
persecuted minority okay mmm this this

632
00:30:35,230 --> 00:30:33,200
these miracles occurred these

633
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:35,240
apparitions occurred you know if it was

634
00:30:41,260 --> 00:30:37,970
the Virgin Mary these things occurred

635
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:41,270
before terrible persecution of recent

636
00:30:51,690 --> 00:30:48,810
particularly in Egypt as the the most my

637
00:30:53,730 --> 00:30:51,700
fundamentalism began to rise okay maybe

638
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:53,740
get Kevin uh some something to say about

639
00:30:58,370 --> 00:30:55,810
that but there are a number of cops here

640
00:31:01,500 --> 00:30:58,380
in Rhode Island who have built the most

641
00:31:04,980 --> 00:31:01,510
magnificent Church in abilities finance

642
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:04,990
in Rhode Island and it's like in Germany

643
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:07,510
your girl's beautiful cathedral rises

644
00:31:12,180 --> 00:31:09,970
above the farmlands and it's I've been

645
00:31:15,690 --> 00:31:12,190
there to service you know their Orthodox

646
00:31:18,270 --> 00:31:15,700
too and we all go to different see each

647
00:31:20,670 --> 00:31:18,280
other's Orthodox churches and they have

648
00:31:23,940 --> 00:31:20,680
a magnificent tradition very ancient of

649
00:31:26,340 --> 00:31:23,950
liturgical tradition they use not

650
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:26,350
symbols but but with a little luck cast

651
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:28,690
and that kind of things in their music

652
00:31:33,450 --> 00:31:32,170
and there is very interesting but but

653
00:31:42,180 --> 00:31:33,460
they're wonderful people in their role

654
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:42,190
you know kind of taking place okay the

655
00:31:55,890 --> 00:31:45,370
next break I can change my connection

656
00:31:57,810 --> 00:31:55,900
here okay of the major theological

657
00:32:00,150 --> 00:31:57,820
figure was the producer

658
00:32:02,460 --> 00:32:00,160
they go there you sound a little better

659
00:32:06,570 --> 00:32:02,470
there okay well that's it then

660
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:06,580
all right okay so anyway as I was saying

661
00:32:11,540 --> 00:32:08,890
I think that it's very unusual from that

662
00:32:13,650 --> 00:32:11,550
point of view also it's a very modern

663
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:13,660
relatively speaking there well except

664
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:16,570
for my glory the only major Marian

665
00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:19,510
apparition I know of and I bowed to

666
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:22,150
Kevin security acknowledge of that but

667
00:32:28,380 --> 00:32:25,930
it's also useful for how to have

668
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:28,390
apparitions like that a miracles thrown

669
00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:40,500
on church generally are a lot quiet yes

670
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:44,110
okay breaking up here

671
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:47,290
I'm sorry I don't know maybe it's during

672
00:32:50,730 --> 00:32:49,930
the breakout I'll a modified side

673
00:32:53,820 --> 00:32:50,740
pologize

674
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:53,830
it as usually works pretty well but the

675
00:32:59,390 --> 00:32:57,850
the Orthodox usually don't have Marian

676
00:33:02,690 --> 00:32:59,400
apparitions as such

677
00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:02,700
and if they do they trust them the the

678
00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:04,860
official spirituality is that you know

679
00:33:11,420 --> 00:33:08,820
you you come to God through Merrick dr.

680
00:33:14,030 --> 00:33:11,430
matru the the Divine Liturgy through the

681
00:33:18,260 --> 00:33:14,040
Eucharist through the sacraments and you

682
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,270
get very suspicious when there is any

683
00:33:23,690 --> 00:33:20,880
kind of supernatural occurrence like

684
00:33:25,820 --> 00:33:23,700
this on the other hand the whole idea of

685
00:33:28,940 --> 00:33:25,830
miracles is not looked at as something

686
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:28,950
unusual a miracle is is something that

687
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:32,730
restores the image that God created in

688
00:33:36,340 --> 00:33:33,450
the first place

689
00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:36,350
and that the fall of man has destroyed

690
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:39,929
the word miracle in English anyway comes

691
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:44,010
from Morocco loom in Latin and the word

692
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:47,010
also has a root in the indo-european

693
00:33:54,890 --> 00:33:52,080
word smae which essentially means to

694
00:33:57,020 --> 00:33:54,900
smile or to be happy or to laugh so

695
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:57,030
apparently miracles are supposed to make

696
00:34:01,580 --> 00:33:57,600
us happy

697
00:34:04,430 --> 00:34:01,590
okay and so that but they are viewed as

698
00:34:07,220 --> 00:34:04,440
the way the world should be rather than

699
00:34:10,970 --> 00:34:07,230
some unusual intrusion into the world by

700
00:34:13,730 --> 00:34:10,980
divine now you don't necessarily have to

701
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:13,740
be a Christian in order to experience

702
00:34:19,550 --> 00:34:17,040
the miracle is oh no right no if you

703
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:19,560
happen to go to Abydos Egypt there is a

704
00:34:24,830 --> 00:34:21,690
very unusual Egyptian temple there the

705
00:34:26,930 --> 00:34:24,840
temple to Isis and there is the Assyrian

706
00:34:30,919 --> 00:34:26,940
which was a special place dedicated to

707
00:34:33,740 --> 00:34:30,929
Osiris and people I've talked to people

708
00:34:36,350 --> 00:34:33,750
who have had miracles in the broader

709
00:34:37,490 --> 00:34:36,360
sense occurred there one of whom was

710
00:34:40,340 --> 00:34:37,500
healed from cancer

711
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:40,350
she believed by the water of this area

712
00:35:09,460 --> 00:34:42,530
it was actually unfortunately a sinking

713
00:35:09,470 --> 00:35:45,860
[Music]

714
00:35:45,870 --> 00:35:53,960
healthy

715
00:35:53,970 --> 00:36:13,110
so that's essential

716
00:36:20,670 --> 00:36:16,620
Kevin since we're talking about you know

717
00:36:23,490 --> 00:36:20,680
Marian apparitions I mean when did I

718
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:23,500
mean when was the first recorded about

719
00:36:30,030 --> 00:36:24,880
forty in history

720
00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:30,040
oh really not that far along yes and

721
00:36:35,250 --> 00:36:32,700
what and what what's the background

722
00:36:37,710 --> 00:36:35,260
remember well that was a very mild will

723
00:36:39,180 --> 00:36:37,720
not to be candid with you cut the sets

724
00:36:43,230 --> 00:36:39,190
and so that one I'd have to look it up

725
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:43,240
myself right about 40 80 but the the

726
00:36:50,130 --> 00:36:48,130
nearest picture of this is a like the

727
00:36:50,730 --> 00:36:50,140
International Marion resources to people

728
00:36:52,860 --> 00:36:50,740
I talk to

729
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:52,870
indicated there's twelve or fourteen

730
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:54,610
going on at any given time

731
00:37:00,120 --> 00:36:58,330
mmm-hmm there's been approximately 2,000

732
00:37:03,150 --> 00:37:00,130
of 2500 that have occurred that they

733
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:03,160
know of and a the church is only

734
00:37:10,290 --> 00:37:07,200
validated eleven of that group really

735
00:37:14,370 --> 00:37:10,300
I'm given a full church probably yes so

736
00:37:16,620 --> 00:37:14,380
they're very hesitant to do that it's

737
00:37:18,810 --> 00:37:16,630
it's very unusual

738
00:37:22,530 --> 00:37:18,820
what's what's the what is their criteria

739
00:37:25,740 --> 00:37:22,540
for accepting something like an

740
00:37:28,940 --> 00:37:25,750
apparition as being legitimate as

741
00:37:31,260 --> 00:37:28,950
opposed to one that they think is just

742
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:31,270
well what would they think it's the

743
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:33,520
person making it up or hallucinating it

744
00:37:38,910 --> 00:37:35,890
or that's basically it yes they're

745
00:37:42,030 --> 00:37:38,920
trying to see if they're credible I'm

746
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:42,040
sorry guys it's nine o'clock a dog dog

747
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:47,490
delivery but you know like any other

748
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:49,450
evaluation of witnesses that they're

749
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:51,610
consistent in their testimony and if

750
00:38:00,060 --> 00:37:56,770
there wasn't anything oh you know no no

751
00:38:02,070 --> 00:38:00,070
motivation like finances or you know

752
00:38:04,620 --> 00:38:02,080
things of that nature that would intrude

753
00:38:06,060 --> 00:38:04,630
into their motivations and you know just

754
00:38:10,380 --> 00:38:06,070
basically like you to investigate any

755
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:10,390
case if you were you know you know a cop

756
00:38:16,140 --> 00:38:14,770
or something like that and it you know

757
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:16,150
they want to they want to see that

758
00:38:25,530 --> 00:38:22,240
there's a no form of negativity and

759
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:25,540
connected with it it's it's not spurious

760
00:38:29,690 --> 00:38:26,610
or anything like that

761
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:29,700
basically financially rewarding to the

762
00:38:37,230 --> 00:38:35,170
seers if you will mm-hmm had I mean

763
00:38:39,330 --> 00:38:37,240
there's a there's a set of ground rules

764
00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:39,340
but it's not that hard and fast it's

765
00:38:43,470 --> 00:38:41,830
basically like investigating access like

766
00:38:44,910 --> 00:38:43,480
I used to do for State Farm it's just

767
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:44,920
you know seeing if it's what they're

768
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:49,200
saying is true so have you ever seen

769
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:53,050
when in the Fatima apparition did you

770
00:38:57,540 --> 00:38:54,730
ever see any of the photographs of the

771
00:39:00,420 --> 00:38:57,550
the son supposedly swirling towards the

772
00:39:03,140 --> 00:39:00,430
Earth no I didn't see the photo because

773
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:03,150
I heard a red account but not the actual

774
00:39:08,670 --> 00:39:06,640
photos though I I've seen one that

775
00:39:11,010 --> 00:39:08,680
purports to be that but that was a

776
00:39:13,530 --> 00:39:11,020
printed in the newspaper at the time but

777
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:13,540
one can't tell how far away the Sun is

778
00:39:19,770 --> 00:39:17,290
or whether it it's the sound I've had

779
00:39:23,850 --> 00:39:19,780
some flack from somebody that was saying

780
00:39:25,610 --> 00:39:23,860
is a UFO and all this yeah but I mean

781
00:39:28,170 --> 00:39:25,620
there's no real indication of that

782
00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:28,180
particularly I mean I don't know why

783
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:30,550
would you why would you why

784
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:34,690
what what do you I mean so God okay so

785
00:39:39,630 --> 00:39:37,570
God makes up a religions I mean what

786
00:39:42,540 --> 00:39:39,640
what what what exactly is supposed to be

787
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:42,550
over are UFOs I'm God may make UFOs to

788
00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:46,480
they do exist obviously but in this case

789
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:49,510
like I say the same kind of aerial

790
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:53,200
displays or whatever I have been seen at

791
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:56,530
other apparitional sites I mean I don't

792
00:40:02,820 --> 00:40:00,160
know how you exactly separate the the -

793
00:40:07,020 --> 00:40:02,830
they're both the unexplained phenomena

794
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:07,030
and we don't really have a direct line

795
00:40:14,430 --> 00:40:10,510
to them I know we don't they okay yeah

796
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:14,440
we're going on the account of three how

797
00:40:19,230 --> 00:40:16,450
old were the the children like ten years

798
00:40:21,420 --> 00:40:19,240
old when they had these from that day I

799
00:40:24,180 --> 00:40:21,430
think one was nine and see it was twelve

800
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:24,190
if I remember correctly and they had and

801
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:25,510
they had a pretty strong Catholic

802
00:40:31,470 --> 00:40:29,770
background yeah to an extent yeah but

803
00:40:32,850 --> 00:40:31,480
but they were also illiterate I mean

804
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:32,860
they were not you know they were just

805
00:40:36,810 --> 00:40:34,510
children yes I'm sure they were taught

806
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:36,820
some in school and their Catholic school

807
00:40:44,970 --> 00:40:41,290
but I mean these were very rural peasant

808
00:40:48,810 --> 00:40:44,980
kids not much in the schooling

809
00:40:52,050 --> 00:40:48,820
department I know the the country at the

810
00:40:54,330 --> 00:40:52,060
time was were they a communist country

811
00:40:57,240 --> 00:40:54,340
or I know they were very atheist had a

812
00:40:59,070 --> 00:40:57,250
socialist government that was kind of a

813
00:41:01,050 --> 00:40:59,080
tea church and like that they were using

814
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:01,060
new churches a whipping boy for you know

815
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:04,720
and maybe with some credibility for more

816
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:08,050
or less being a backer of the status quo

817
00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:09,610
you know the monarchies and all this

818
00:41:15,330 --> 00:41:13,510
stuff so but you know for the most part

819
00:41:17,130 --> 00:41:15,340
that's why they were antagonistic to the

820
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:17,140
apparition tried to threaten the

821
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:18,640
children into you know tell the truth

822
00:41:22,770 --> 00:41:21,280
yeah yeah just put boiling them in oil

823
00:41:24,180 --> 00:41:22,780
there's something I think of what yeah I

824
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:24,190
mean that was yeah there was some

825
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:28,000
intimidation factor to it but I don't

826
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,760
know Tim I don't know there were all but

827
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:35,920
really many of the really more

828
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:39,010
interesting the celestial displays were

829
00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:41,410
whatever they were but what I'm saying

830
00:41:46,329 --> 00:41:43,910
is that to me some of the prophecy

831
00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:46,339
give the sister lúcia we're pretty cool

832
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:48,349
me considering she's a peasant kid and

833
00:41:54,430 --> 00:41:51,760
they told her about you know you know uh

834
00:41:58,240 --> 00:41:54,440
Russian and its errors that is to say

835
00:42:00,520 --> 00:41:58,250
going communist and all that and this

836
00:42:03,279 --> 00:42:00,530
was only nineteen seventeen I mean all

837
00:42:07,210 --> 00:42:03,289
these things were prefaced all these

838
00:42:09,549 --> 00:42:07,220
historical events and even the rise of

839
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:09,559
Hitler in World War two and all this bit

840
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:12,770
I mean a lot of that came out and that

841
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:14,089
you know after they see celestial

842
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:16,160
displays of the skive it'll be you know

843
00:42:21,460 --> 00:42:19,130
a great a great light in the sky that

844
00:42:23,710 --> 00:42:21,470
hick Hitler saw at Becca's garden that

845
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:23,720
that was the kickoff to World War two

846
00:42:28,510 --> 00:42:26,960
and it was so I mean I don't know I mean

847
00:42:32,049 --> 00:42:28,520
I don't have the rulebook on it I just

848
00:42:35,230 --> 00:42:32,059
looked into it to a certain extent but I

849
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:35,240
do know there were many conversions at

850
00:42:38,650 --> 00:42:38,000
Fatima for people that were cynical

851
00:42:43,059 --> 00:42:38,660
about it

852
00:42:46,690 --> 00:42:43,069
initially outside and now as anything

853
00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:46,700
ever outside of a a Kassala

854
00:42:53,260 --> 00:42:50,329
point of view has anything been written

855
00:42:56,319 --> 00:42:53,270
by well I know that eye witnesses some

856
00:43:01,269 --> 00:42:56,329
of the newspapers were reports oh yeah

857
00:43:03,220 --> 00:43:01,279
some on ceremonial but yeah no they've

858
00:43:05,319 --> 00:43:03,230
had no they have at that particular one

859
00:43:08,289 --> 00:43:05,329
they had quite a few news organizations

860
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:08,299
there you know and what what and what

861
00:43:12,359 --> 00:43:10,490
would you say is the most recent miracle

862
00:43:14,430 --> 00:43:12,369
I mean is there anything happening now

863
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:14,440
somewhere that there's been a clue

864
00:43:18,849 --> 00:43:16,970
there's been a few I mean it like I said

865
00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:18,859
it's ongoing ones all the time but

866
00:43:23,799 --> 00:43:21,049
nothing that well there was Our Lady of

867
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:23,809
Good help that was in Wisconsin that was

868
00:43:30,940 --> 00:43:27,049
approved just a couple years ago but as

869
00:43:33,730 --> 00:43:30,950
far as anything spicy what it was

870
00:43:35,470 --> 00:43:33,740
approved you say yes that's the eleventh

871
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:35,480
one that then actually proved by the

872
00:43:40,930 --> 00:43:38,210
whole church there's a secondary go

873
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:40,940
there's a secondary category that's like

874
00:43:47,380 --> 00:43:43,730
worthy of devotion that they give some

875
00:43:49,779 --> 00:43:47,390
that are not really say accredited

876
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:49,789
miracles if you will but that local

877
00:43:55,900 --> 00:43:51,680
bishop will will make a pronouncement

878
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:55,910
that this is worthy of devotion if you

879
00:44:00,850 --> 00:43:57,770
will and that's like a secondary cat

880
00:44:03,790 --> 00:44:00,860
we took full Church approval and and

881
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:03,800
what what is the message that now does

882
00:44:09,460 --> 00:44:06,970
Mary okay she appears physically

883
00:44:14,140 --> 00:44:09,470
obviously the main individual involved

884
00:44:16,300 --> 00:44:14,150
in the miracle sees her perhaps like

885
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:16,310
hears her voice do other people ever

886
00:44:21,540 --> 00:44:18,410
experience anything of that type I mean

887
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:21,550
that might be in the crowd well

888
00:44:28,750 --> 00:44:25,250
sometimes but usually like we talked of

889
00:44:34,290 --> 00:44:28,760
initially most the great majority of

890
00:44:37,540 --> 00:44:34,300
these apparitional events are seen by

891
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:37,550
one to three people I mean that's why

892
00:44:43,330 --> 00:44:40,730
sighs I thought it was completely over

893
00:44:46,410 --> 00:44:43,340
the top you know by comparison one of

894
00:44:49,630 --> 00:44:46,420
the most interesting ones that occurred

895
00:44:52,300 --> 00:44:49,640
are you familiar with Our Lady of

896
00:44:54,190 --> 00:44:52,310
Guadalupe image that a lot of Latin like

897
00:44:55,570 --> 00:44:54,200
Mexicans and Latin Americans will have

898
00:44:58,500 --> 00:44:55,580
on the back of their trucks that image

899
00:45:01,060 --> 00:44:58,510
about oh absolutely

900
00:45:03,220 --> 00:45:01,070
you know published a lot of books about

901
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:03,230
this but not from a strictly religious

902
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:04,880
that point of view I mean more from me

903
00:45:09,070 --> 00:45:06,890
but I'm gonna put yeah but I'm I'm

904
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:09,080
pretty familiar with it both where you

905
00:45:13,090 --> 00:45:10,730
see them see image on on trucks and

906
00:45:16,570 --> 00:45:13,100
what-have-you yeah that that was that

907
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:16,580
that garment was a cactus husk garment

908
00:45:21,780 --> 00:45:18,710
that's still on display in the Basilica

909
00:45:27,010 --> 00:45:21,790
of Guadalupe in Mexico City and

910
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:27,020
understand it's 500 years old and it's

911
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:28,880
only been under glass for a hundred and

912
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:31,280
fifty years well tell her tell us how it

913
00:45:40,650 --> 00:45:34,880
got the image appeared on the cloth well

914
00:45:43,690 --> 00:45:40,660
what happened is juan diego who was the

915
00:45:46,900 --> 00:45:43,700
steer the visionary if you will of this

916
00:45:48,940 --> 00:45:46,910
bit of Mary appeared to she saw him and

917
00:45:51,010 --> 00:45:48,950
said take these roses back to the local

918
00:45:55,810 --> 00:45:51,020
bishop and she wanted a a church to be

919
00:45:59,290 --> 00:45:55,820
built in her honor there etc and when he

920
00:46:01,420 --> 00:45:59,300
came when she he came back with roses he

921
00:46:03,130 --> 00:46:01,430
was gobsmacked because this was December

922
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:03,140
in Mexico City it's somewhat high

923
00:46:08,020 --> 00:46:05,570
elevation and there were no roses

924
00:46:11,380 --> 00:46:08,030
blooming and you know this is like 1508

925
00:46:17,710 --> 00:46:15,460
I mean the roses were long dead and also

926
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:17,720
he recognized them as a Castilian roses

927
00:46:22,809 --> 00:46:19,490
where he the bishop had come from and

928
00:46:25,299 --> 00:46:22,819
Casteel Spain okay and and but when he

929
00:46:26,529 --> 00:46:25,309
opened the garment up that she put him

930
00:46:30,279 --> 00:46:26,539
in his arms and he held him in his

931
00:46:32,259 --> 00:46:30,289
garment his cloak and what happened was

932
00:46:35,740 --> 00:46:32,269
when he opened it up this image was on

933
00:46:37,390 --> 00:46:35,750
the back of the was imprinted on her

934
00:46:41,650 --> 00:46:37,400
image was imprinted on the back on this

935
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:41,660
this of fabric this cactus nurse garment

936
00:46:50,019 --> 00:46:47,450
okay I know a guy who is from the

937
00:46:52,089 --> 00:46:50,029
Albuquerque area and he he know people

938
00:46:55,690 --> 00:46:52,099
he's friends with Sandia Labs people and

939
00:46:58,269 --> 00:46:55,700
so forth particles of that garment that

940
00:47:01,299 --> 00:46:58,279
still in existence have been studied by

941
00:47:04,210 --> 00:47:01,309
Sandia Labs here's something interesting

942
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:04,220
there's no pigment there's no tracing

943
00:47:12,549 --> 00:47:08,410
there's no way to replicate this image

944
00:47:15,130 --> 00:47:12,559
now no lasers no nothing there's nothing

945
00:47:17,380 --> 00:47:15,140
that can do that and it's very good

946
00:47:19,210 --> 00:47:17,390
artwork if you've seen it and anybody

947
00:47:21,970 --> 00:47:19,220
can look it up this image of Our Lady of

948
00:47:27,509 --> 00:47:21,980
Guadalupe on Google and what I'm saying

949
00:47:30,819 --> 00:47:27,519
is but like I say it was subject to well

950
00:47:33,819 --> 00:47:30,829
subject to all kinds of environmental

951
00:47:36,490 --> 00:47:33,829
issues you know he cold humidity this

952
00:47:38,980 --> 00:47:36,500
that for three hundred and fifty years

953
00:47:41,319 --> 00:47:38,990
before it was put under glass and I

954
00:47:43,809 --> 00:47:41,329
submit to you if all four of us got a

955
00:47:46,269 --> 00:47:43,819
bunch of cactus husks is stuck at in a

956
00:47:49,059 --> 00:47:46,279
shoe box in ten years it would be dust

957
00:47:51,609 --> 00:47:49,069
so that was miraculous above itself but

958
00:47:53,410 --> 00:47:51,619
there's no pigment no tracing it's been

959
00:47:56,589 --> 00:47:53,420
examined under electron microscopes it's

960
00:47:59,650 --> 00:47:56,599
a miraculous eye huh all right we need

961
00:48:01,690 --> 00:47:59,660
to stop right now and we are at our top

962
00:48:04,749 --> 00:48:01,700
of the hour break so when we come back

963
00:48:06,339 --> 00:48:04,759
we will be talking more about the

964
00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:06,349
miraculous with Kevin Cooke

965
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:08,329
Paulino to Beckley and myself on

966
00:48:10,290 --> 00:48:08,810
explorer

967
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:10,300
in the bazaar just a joke

968
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:26,620
explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

969
00:48:32,590 --> 00:48:29,290
ride into the world of the paranoid

970
00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:32,600
strap yourself in as we traverse the

971
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:36,910
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

972
00:48:45,490 --> 00:48:41,330
ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters

973
00:48:49,870 --> 00:48:45,500
as well as other dimensions it's time to

974
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:49,880
take back the night last night now you

975
00:48:58,260 --> 00:48:52,250
are electrifying hosts of exploring the

976
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:00,790
alright welcome back to the second hour

977
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:03,290
of exploring the bizarre our guest

978
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:05,450
tonight our Kevin cook and Paul you know

979
00:49:14,580 --> 00:49:11,570
and we're talking about miracles whether

980
00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:14,590
they be religious paranormal or

981
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:16,310
what-have-you

982
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:21,410
so Paul I sounds like that your your

983
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:22,970
microphone is sounding a little better

984
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:24,530
so we'll bring you back into the

985
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:26,480
conversation it's a miracle

986
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:32,210
indeed indeed yeah well okay a lot of

987
00:49:44,430 --> 00:49:34,370
the things that we have been talking

988
00:49:46,690 --> 00:49:44,440
about aren't necessarily exclusive to

989
00:49:52,510 --> 00:49:46,700
Christianity you know the miracles

990
00:49:58,600 --> 00:49:52,520
apparitions things like that's what I'm

991
00:50:02,140 --> 00:49:58,610
what I'm thinking of is the the Ganesh

992
00:50:04,810 --> 00:50:02,150
milk drinking miracle that happens it's

993
00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:04,820
been a while well maybe 10 15 years ago

994
00:50:13,090 --> 00:50:06,710
I don't know if you're familiar with

995
00:50:17,980 --> 00:50:13,100
that when yes yeah you know there are

996
00:50:20,410 --> 00:50:17,990
lots of lots of videos taken of you know

997
00:50:23,350 --> 00:50:20,420
people spoon feeding milk to these

998
00:50:29,290 --> 00:50:23,360
statues and the you know the milk would

999
00:50:37,150 --> 00:50:29,300
would would disappear and and it it was

1000
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:42,670
is there is there a difference I mean

1001
00:50:46,970 --> 00:50:45,470
depending on your faith of course you

1002
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:46,980
know you're gonna say oh well you know

1003
00:50:52,310 --> 00:50:50,010
my you know my miracles are the real

1004
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:52,320
ones and everybody else you know though

1005
00:50:58,370 --> 00:50:55,890
those are fake or what-have-you yet we

1006
00:50:58,960 --> 00:50:58,380
see a lot of commonality all across the

1007
00:51:03,050 --> 00:50:58,970
board

1008
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:03,060
well yeah usually it's it's the church's

1009
00:51:07,490 --> 00:51:04,770
position that miracles of that kind

1010
00:51:10,820 --> 00:51:07,500
would be not miracles it would be sort

1011
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:10,830
of demonic tricks but again you know

1012
00:51:14,510 --> 00:51:12,090
what does that mean you know I mean just

1013
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:14,520
it's just as you say it's it's normal

1014
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:17,970
nobody ever writes a treatise or gives a

1015
00:51:23,330 --> 00:51:20,130
speech backing up someone else's point

1016
00:51:27,370 --> 00:51:23,340
of view you know however be that as it

1017
00:51:31,310 --> 00:51:27,380
may there are a number of healings and

1018
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:31,320
apparitions here and there among many

1019
00:51:35,660 --> 00:51:33,960
many different groups as I was saying

1020
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:35,670
earlier and people probably didn't hear

1021
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:38,730
it cuz my crummy mic in the Eastern

1022
00:51:43,220 --> 00:51:41,760
Church the tradition there you don't

1023
00:51:45,770 --> 00:51:43,230
have you don't generally have miracles

1024
00:51:48,860 --> 00:51:45,780
like that because the tradition is not

1025
00:51:51,140 --> 00:51:48,870
about that it's and they usually don't

1026
00:51:55,250 --> 00:51:51,150
trust them okay

1027
00:51:56,810 --> 00:51:55,260
the Zeitoun in Egypt Meir miracles or

1028
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:56,820
the apparitions were a distinct

1029
00:52:02,330 --> 00:51:59,040
exception to that and the you usually

1030
00:52:08,020 --> 00:52:02,340
have in Eastern Church icons that will

1031
00:52:10,310 --> 00:52:08,030
will exude beautiful aromas or will have

1032
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:10,320
occasionally bleeding but that's very

1033
00:52:15,620 --> 00:52:11,970
unusual

1034
00:52:18,770 --> 00:52:15,630
the the myrrh or the lovely aromas of

1035
00:52:21,890 --> 00:52:18,780
that you know that and the the aroma

1036
00:52:24,410 --> 00:52:21,900
blessedness as as we've said before but

1037
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,420
again miracles generally aren't trusted

1038
00:52:31,490 --> 00:52:26,400
there's no mechanism in the Orthodox

1039
00:52:34,970 --> 00:52:31,500
churches to certify or approve miracles

1040
00:52:37,370 --> 00:52:34,980
as such and the sainthood is not a

1041
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:37,380
matter of examination and investigation

1042
00:52:43,130 --> 00:52:39,450
and canonization which isn't a bad idea

1043
00:52:45,860 --> 00:52:43,140
actually but when someone is is a claim

1044
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:45,870
by the people as a saint and saying is

1045
00:52:50,090 --> 00:52:47,970
just someone who's gone to heaven

1046
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:50,100
in in in all Christian traditions they

1047
00:52:54,770 --> 00:52:51,570
said well at least the the most ancient

1048
00:52:56,450 --> 00:52:54,780
ones and the the Synod of Bishops of

1049
00:52:58,250 --> 00:52:56,460
there's no Pope in the Orthodox but the

1050
00:53:00,020 --> 00:52:58,260
Synod of Bishops of the whatever

1051
00:53:02,060 --> 00:53:00,030
national church it might be whether it

1052
00:53:05,570 --> 00:53:02,070
be the Russians or the Greeks or the the

1053
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:05,580
cops or the Ethiopians or whoever will

1054
00:53:10,580 --> 00:53:07,680
recognize that and we'll add the name to

1055
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:10,590
the diptych s-- as it's called or the or

1056
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,210
the list of among other things the list

1057
00:53:17,330 --> 00:53:14,880
of the names of the saints and it's as

1058
00:53:20,330 --> 00:53:17,340
kind of as simple as that and as we were

1059
00:53:22,730 --> 00:53:20,340
saying to the ancient Old Testament

1060
00:53:24,620 --> 00:53:22,740
prophets and the great heroes of the Old

1061
00:53:27,500 --> 00:53:24,630
Testament Noah and Moses they're all

1062
00:53:29,540 --> 00:53:27,510
Saints to honored by the ancient

1063
00:53:32,180 --> 00:53:29,550
churches you know including the Church

1064
00:53:34,910 --> 00:53:32,190
of Rome and you know I don't often think

1065
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:34,920
of st. Moses but there yeah that's st.

1066
00:53:38,180 --> 00:53:36,690
Moses and there was no canonization

1067
00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:38,190
process for them certainly they were in

1068
00:53:44,300 --> 00:53:40,710
the Bible and others are like the Virgin

1069
00:53:46,370 --> 00:53:44,310
Mary are just like kind of part of the

1070
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:46,380
picture and and are considered Saints so

1071
00:53:51,620 --> 00:53:49,530
but the miracle some there are Saints in

1072
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:51,630
other religions too the guy supposes

1073
00:53:57,230 --> 00:53:54,810
that certainly the Buddha's now Buddhism

1074
00:53:59,390 --> 00:53:57,240
is not a deist ik religion in other

1075
00:54:04,610 --> 00:53:59,400
words they officially they don't

1076
00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:04,620
recognize a deity okay but they it's all

1077
00:54:08,530 --> 00:54:06,660
a matter of philosophy and passions but

1078
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:08,540
but but you know it's sort of de facto

1079
00:54:14,450 --> 00:54:12,450
the Buddhist people kind of do and some

1080
00:54:16,850 --> 00:54:14,460
of them even recognize you know a one

1081
00:54:18,770 --> 00:54:16,860
God even monotheistic God although very

1082
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,780
sort of ethereal that kind of thing so

1083
00:54:22,550 --> 00:54:20,880
these are other all different local

1084
00:54:24,980 --> 00:54:22,560
traditions and ways of approaching

1085
00:54:27,820 --> 00:54:24,990
things and miracles are often a part of

1086
00:54:32,660 --> 00:54:27,830
any tradition Christian or pagan how

1087
00:54:33,830 --> 00:54:32,670
about American American native tribes oh

1088
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,840
absolutely

1089
00:54:38,300 --> 00:54:36,000
well and you know that they well they

1090
00:54:40,100 --> 00:54:38,310
don't really have a long tradition that

1091
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:40,110
matches that of Rome I'll be there would

1092
00:54:44,450 --> 00:54:42,450
they have a longer tradition but yeah

1093
00:54:45,980 --> 00:54:44,460
there there are apparitions of what

1094
00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:45,990
we're believed to be supernatural beings

1095
00:54:51,740 --> 00:54:49,260
and miracles as well but I have to point

1096
00:54:54,530 --> 00:54:51,750
out that you talk about the milk thing

1097
00:54:56,210 --> 00:54:54,540
in Hinduism that would happen it does it

1098
00:54:58,250 --> 00:54:56,220
does there's a tradition that it happens

1099
00:55:00,770 --> 00:54:58,260
every year at the Feast of the elephant

1100
00:55:01,370 --> 00:55:00,780
God in certain places okay and this is

1101
00:55:03,410 --> 00:55:01,380
this foot

1102
00:55:05,870 --> 00:55:03,420
forgiveness but you have to look back at

1103
00:55:09,110 --> 00:55:05,880
dear old parapsychology and the

1104
00:55:11,060 --> 00:55:09,120
phenomena known as a portation which has

1105
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:11,070
been done to very - rather limited

1106
00:55:17,810 --> 00:55:14,160
effect in laboratory conditions and that

1107
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:17,820
tim schwartz and i have both seen in

1108
00:55:24,260 --> 00:55:21,450
poltergeist cases okay now when that

1109
00:55:27,470 --> 00:55:24,270
occurred to us we didn't attribute any

1110
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:27,480
kind of divine reason for it sometimes

1111
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:30,810
just the opposite and you know we were

1112
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:32,730
dealing with the phenomenon of airport

1113
00:55:38,810 --> 00:55:35,910
ation so i again as my son ben and i are

1114
00:55:41,110 --> 00:55:38,820
always saying our limited paradigm our

1115
00:55:44,210 --> 00:55:41,120
very limited understanding of everything

1116
00:55:45,470 --> 00:55:44,220
leads us to put labels on things that we

1117
00:55:48,110 --> 00:55:45,480
can understand but they don't

1118
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:48,120
necessarily mirror the the deeper

1119
00:55:53,450 --> 00:55:51,450
reality of what's actually going on well

1120
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:53,460
I believe that Paul I really do I mean a

1121
00:55:59,210 --> 00:55:55,890
lot of bizarre stuff happens like well

1122
00:56:00,860 --> 00:55:59,220
here in town this awful little hotel

1123
00:56:02,690 --> 00:56:00,870
called the hotel Texas has been there

1124
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:02,700
about 150 years and it's completely

1125
00:56:08,540 --> 00:56:06,930
haunted you know I mean I I know the gal

1126
00:56:10,510 --> 00:56:08,550
that used to be the night manager there

1127
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:10,520
and I you know she's very honest type

1128
00:56:15,620 --> 00:56:13,680
very Christian straight-up laced girl

1129
00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:15,630
and she said it's his haunted as all

1130
00:56:18,290 --> 00:56:17,310
get-out the maids and makeup rooms

1131
00:56:20,420 --> 00:56:18,300
there's some kind of poltergeist

1132
00:56:22,940 --> 00:56:20,430
activity to throw the crud around the

1133
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:22,950
room after the maids are done and all

1134
00:56:26,570 --> 00:56:24,480
the guests are always seeing ghostly

1135
00:56:29,420 --> 00:56:26,580
figures of how cowboys in the hallway

1136
00:56:32,860 --> 00:56:29,430
and such as that so I mean this occurs

1137
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:32,870
and even personally I mean there's

1138
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:36,090
supernatural stuff I mean I'm ever many

1139
00:56:40,820 --> 00:56:38,250
years ago say 30 years ago and I was

1140
00:56:42,530 --> 00:56:40,830
into martial arts a lot more than a 30

1141
00:56:45,860 --> 00:56:42,540
year martial artist but what I'm saying

1142
00:56:48,170 --> 00:56:45,870
is I got mad at something in business

1143
00:56:51,170 --> 00:56:48,180
and I did a palm strike on the wall in

1144
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:51,180
the bedroom and of course I knocked a

1145
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:53,130
hole in the wall but but what the deal

1146
00:56:59,900 --> 00:56:55,890
was is my my palm never struck the

1147
00:57:01,610 --> 00:56:59,910
plasterboard hmm and now that weirded me

1148
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:01,620
out cuz yes I felt like an idiot for

1149
00:57:05,390 --> 00:57:03,330
losing my temper breaking a hole in the

1150
00:57:09,740 --> 00:57:05,400
wall I fixed it of course but but what

1151
00:57:13,370 --> 00:57:09,750
I'm saying is the weirdness was my palm

1152
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:13,380
never touched the plaster mm-hmm and

1153
00:57:18,090 --> 00:57:15,210
that was a

1154
00:57:20,850 --> 00:57:18,100
paranormal experience if you will but it

1155
00:57:22,410 --> 00:57:20,860
it wasn't religious but I mean there's

1156
00:57:25,980 --> 00:57:22,420
all kinds of stuff out there's what I'm

1157
00:57:28,860 --> 00:57:25,990
saying sure yeah and but that was I was

1158
00:57:30,420 --> 00:57:28,870
weirded out by that man because I don't

1159
00:57:31,260 --> 00:57:30,430
care if you touch a paper bag you know

1160
00:57:33,540 --> 00:57:31,270
you touched it

1161
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:33,550
sure sure and there I don't mean to

1162
00:57:38,430 --> 00:57:36,130
denigrate it by any means any of the the

1163
00:57:41,370 --> 00:57:38,440
Marian apparitions but you know I I

1164
00:57:44,910 --> 00:57:41,380
haven't I myself I saw I suppose should

1165
00:57:46,650 --> 00:57:44,920
say that I can't marry an apple I crying

1166
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:46,660
or something didn't you yeah I've seen

1167
00:57:52,500 --> 00:57:49,330
that you know they they come over from

1168
00:57:54,810 --> 00:57:52,510
Europe or wherever are Greece and then

1169
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:54,820
they will tour America the different

1170
00:58:01,080 --> 00:57:57,490
different parishes and that sort of

1171
00:58:05,340 --> 00:58:01,090
thing now when those but when I was I

1172
00:58:07,710 --> 00:58:05,350
believe I was four years old growing up

1173
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:07,720
in East Hartford Connecticut and event

1174
00:58:10,620 --> 00:58:09,280
one of our priest friends because my

1175
00:58:13,470 --> 00:58:10,630
brother was studying to be a priest and

1176
00:58:15,870 --> 00:58:13,480
became one one of our priest friends was

1177
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:15,880
at our house and I was writing my little

1178
00:58:20,250 --> 00:58:18,010
tricycle down Stirling road in East

1179
00:58:24,500 --> 00:58:20,260
Hartford Connecticut and I looked up and

1180
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:24,510
there on top of the building which was

1181
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:26,290
you know this wasn't heavily

1182
00:58:30,900 --> 00:58:27,850
industrialized but it would there was a

1183
00:58:33,870 --> 00:58:30,910
an oil storage facility and next to the

1184
00:58:37,290 --> 00:58:33,880
railroad tracks there was a white figure

1185
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:37,300
with her hands folded and some kind of

1186
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:42,610
gold thing around and I looked twice and

1187
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:45,370
I couldn't believe it I was frozen and

1188
00:58:48,930 --> 00:58:47,200
then I turn around and I pedaled my

1189
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:48,940
little trike back to the thing and I ran

1190
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:51,520
in I told the priest I said I just saw

1191
00:58:56,820 --> 00:58:54,370
Mary mmm the Blessed Mother I got the

1192
00:58:59,220 --> 00:58:56,830
Blessed Mother and now whether it was

1193
00:59:02,100 --> 00:58:59,230
that's that's my memory and then on

1194
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:02,110
another occasion I had a healing it was

1195
00:59:08,130 --> 00:59:04,960
but but this there was a a novena or a

1196
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:08,140
sort of a special Xers based on the

1197
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:10,720
Vespers service every Monday night at

1198
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:13,690
st. Mary's in East Hartford and the

1199
00:59:19,410 --> 00:59:16,690
there was a relic of st. Catherine

1200
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:19,420
Laboure from France and that people

1201
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:22,240
would venerate this kiss it at the end

1202
00:59:28,329 --> 00:59:25,810
of the service and I had some sort of

1203
00:59:29,979 --> 00:59:28,339
mastoid in in my ear I had to be

1204
00:59:32,620 --> 00:59:29,989
operated on the next day my mother took

1205
00:59:35,890 --> 00:59:32,630
me and the priest put the relic on my

1206
00:59:37,089 --> 00:59:35,900
ear rather than to my lips we went to

1207
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:37,099
the hospital in the next day and the

1208
00:59:41,650 --> 00:59:39,410
mastoid had disappeared oh you know

1209
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:41,660
there's no sir I have plenty of respect

1210
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:44,450
you know for this so you know in talking

1211
00:59:48,940 --> 00:59:46,130
about other kinds of things I don't mean

1212
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:48,950
to denigrate so I thought those are just

1213
00:59:52,329 --> 00:59:50,930
personal experiences that I have yeah

1214
00:59:54,099 --> 00:59:52,339
that's pretty good though that effort

1215
00:59:55,269 --> 00:59:54,109
Lee is pretty cool well sure they've

1216
00:59:58,329 --> 00:59:55,279
never had any more trouble since then

1217
01:00:02,079 --> 00:59:58,339
that's been 100 years since I was far as

1218
01:00:04,509 --> 01:00:02,089
yes you look at Oh like those pictures

1219
01:00:07,779 --> 01:00:04,519
of NOK Ireland where there was a Marian

1220
01:00:09,609 --> 01:00:07,789
apparition 1879 yeah yeah there's

1221
01:00:11,289 --> 01:00:09,619
visitors to the shrine and and there's

1222
01:00:14,019 --> 01:00:11,299
all these crutches and same with Lourdes

1223
01:00:16,029 --> 01:00:14,029
as crutches and wheelchairs and yeah and

1224
01:00:19,690 --> 01:00:16,039
they have a by the way ahead Lords they

1225
01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:19,700
have a very good competent Medical Board

1226
01:00:24,930 --> 01:00:22,400
that examines these cures and passes on

1227
01:00:27,459 --> 01:00:24,940
their validity of them and so forth and

1228
01:00:28,269 --> 01:00:27,469
it's really pretty professional really

1229
01:00:30,039 --> 01:00:28,279
quite impressive

1230
01:00:31,630 --> 01:00:30,049
well what did Jesus say about that kind

1231
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:31,640
of thing he said it is your faith that

1232
01:00:37,209 --> 01:00:34,160
has healed you times out of 10 when he

1233
01:00:40,180 --> 01:00:37,219
performed miracles and people just don't

1234
01:00:42,009 --> 01:00:40,190
get it that they participate in these

1235
01:00:44,739 --> 01:00:42,019
things as I said earlier whether people

1236
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:44,749
heard me and I know but I think a lot

1237
01:00:49,959 --> 01:00:46,640
people's faith has a lot to do with it

1238
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:49,969
now then again you do hear miracles from

1239
01:00:54,670 --> 01:00:52,130
people who just have no clue at all

1240
01:00:58,079 --> 01:00:54,680
about anything and sometimes this

1241
01:01:02,049 --> 01:00:58,089
happens to them too but mostly it was I

1242
01:01:05,620 --> 01:01:02,059
think yes Jesus said your faith has you

1243
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:05,630
know connected with the this incredible

1244
01:01:12,539 --> 01:01:08,319
divine energy and you're healed

1245
01:01:16,180 --> 01:01:12,549
yeah even as they don't kid I had that

1246
01:01:19,769 --> 01:01:16,190
that's a sweet ache we touched a little

1247
01:01:23,829 --> 01:01:19,779
bit earlier I think maybe we mentioned

1248
01:01:26,969 --> 01:01:23,839
conspiracies there was one incident in

1249
01:01:31,239 --> 01:01:26,979
the Cuba back during the height of

1250
01:01:34,269 --> 01:01:31,249
Castro's leadership there where people

1251
01:01:37,630 --> 01:01:34,279
were seeing visions in the sky I don't

1252
01:01:41,229 --> 01:01:37,640
know whether it was Jesus or Mary per se

1253
01:01:42,310 --> 01:01:41,239
and of course the thinking at that point

1254
01:01:45,970 --> 01:01:42,320
where it's

1255
01:01:50,290 --> 01:01:45,980
point was that the CIA might have been

1256
01:01:54,310 --> 01:01:50,300
trying to stir up some trouble with the

1257
01:01:56,020 --> 01:01:54,320
local believer I don't think they'd have

1258
01:02:01,570 --> 01:01:56,030
back at that error I don't think they'd

1259
01:02:04,180 --> 01:02:01,580
have a holographic prop you know yeah I

1260
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:04,190
mean the the technology is between

1261
01:02:08,110 --> 01:02:06,290
anywhere from ten to thirty years ahead

1262
01:02:09,580 --> 01:02:08,120
of what the public knows about but I'm

1263
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:09,590
not saying that's what happened in Cuba

1264
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:12,410
there was a lot of paranoia in Cuba if

1265
01:02:18,310 --> 01:02:15,410
you talk to Albert Rosales good I'm sure

1266
01:02:21,460 --> 01:02:18,320
we all know he'll tell you about growing

1267
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:21,470
up in Cuba and he's a great has a great

1268
01:02:26,350 --> 01:02:23,330
database of phenomena and has his own

1269
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:26,360
show down he's from Florida and tell you

1270
01:02:29,530 --> 01:02:28,130
all kinds of amazing stories about the

1271
01:02:31,870 --> 01:02:29,540
first thing they think of when they when

1272
01:02:34,380 --> 01:02:31,880
he himself saw a UFO his whole family is

1273
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:34,390
it oh no it's the Americans attack

1274
01:02:45,090 --> 01:02:41,210
paranoia well I think one of the things

1275
01:02:47,890 --> 01:02:45,100
that always fascinates me about the the

1276
01:02:49,810 --> 01:02:47,900
Marian apparitions and and of course I

1277
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:49,820
mean it doesn't happen all the time but

1278
01:03:00,160 --> 01:02:54,890
a lot of the at least initial witnesses

1279
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:00,170
tend to be children Fatima yeah Fatima

1280
01:03:08,050 --> 01:03:03,650
Lourdes there was a case in France in

1281
01:03:11,950 --> 01:03:08,060
the early eighteen 1800s and and these

1282
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:11,960
and and those children they were so ill

1283
01:03:19,060 --> 01:03:14,690
educated that I mean they had no

1284
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:19,070
knowledge of who this this person was

1285
01:03:22,870 --> 01:03:20,720
that they were talking to like you know

1286
01:03:24,250 --> 01:03:22,880
I guess later you know so you know like

1287
01:03:25,900 --> 01:03:24,260
church officials or you know like the

1288
01:03:27,700 --> 01:03:25,910
local parish you know told them oh uh

1289
01:03:30,910 --> 01:03:27,710
you know you were talking to Mary they

1290
01:03:35,260 --> 01:03:30,920
had no idea yet these stories always

1291
01:03:38,860 --> 01:03:35,270
come out very very similar and in fact

1292
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:38,870
the one in in France I mean they were

1293
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:42,650
given predictions on all the bad things

1294
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:45,290
that the you know like revolutions that

1295
01:03:53,050 --> 01:03:49,250
were going to take place the gosh the

1296
01:03:55,420 --> 01:03:53,060
the the the bishop Paris I think was

1297
01:03:58,750 --> 01:03:55,430
going to be you know murdered by

1298
01:04:02,830 --> 01:03:58,760
rather by the crowd things like that

1299
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:02,840
so I mean a lot of these operations are

1300
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:07,370
very concerned for the political climate

1301
01:04:13,270 --> 01:04:10,850
of that time yeah I think you're

1302
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:13,280
referring to the La Salette yeah

1303
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:17,810
versions of 1846 yes yes yes I'll step

1304
01:04:22,540 --> 01:04:20,570
on your no no that's fine I mean that's

1305
01:04:24,430 --> 01:04:22,550
fine it's just that there does seem to

1306
01:04:27,370 --> 01:04:24,440
be a prophetic aspect to it and very

1307
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:27,380
timely points and it's it clearly was so

1308
01:04:32,620 --> 01:04:30,530
in fátima with all the you know carrying

1309
01:04:38,170 --> 01:04:32,630
on about the Russians and their errors

1310
01:04:40,510 --> 01:04:38,180
and the snap but I don't know that the

1311
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:40,520
part that that sticks with me the best

1312
01:04:46,780 --> 01:04:44,330
is well that that's that image at

1313
01:04:50,490 --> 01:04:46,790
Guadalupe and how its scientific I mean

1314
01:04:54,790 --> 01:04:50,500
rock hard to the best scientific minds

1315
01:04:59,190 --> 01:04:54,800
its what would you say that that's a lot

1316
01:05:02,040 --> 01:04:59,200
more verifiable than the Shroud yes

1317
01:05:05,500 --> 01:05:02,050
well because the Shroud also is not

1318
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:05,510
available for analysis and what-have-you

1319
01:05:11,470 --> 01:05:08,570
as much as this well but it has been in

1320
01:05:13,510 --> 01:05:11,480
the past yeah but this play I mean not

1321
01:05:16,750 --> 01:05:13,520
as much as this I mean the Mexicans are

1322
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:16,760
not as you know they're more open and

1323
01:05:22,270 --> 01:05:19,370
you know agreeable to letting it be

1324
01:05:25,810 --> 01:05:22,280
examined I mean did they didn't they

1325
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:25,820
take the the painting I mean actually

1326
01:05:31,090 --> 01:05:28,970
out of the the church where it was being

1327
01:05:32,890 --> 01:05:31,100
where it's kept and taken to a

1328
01:05:35,410 --> 01:05:32,900
laboratory and I mean you know they use

1329
01:05:39,460 --> 01:05:35,420
like electron microscopes on it yes they

1330
01:05:41,290 --> 01:05:39,470
did yes right they're pretty flexible

1331
01:05:43,450 --> 01:05:41,300
but what I'm saying I don't know if they

1332
01:05:45,370 --> 01:05:43,460
I think they took particles from it as

1333
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:45,380
opposed to taking the whole unit I'm not

1334
01:05:49,180 --> 01:05:47,570
sure it one two three of that but I

1335
01:05:51,780 --> 01:05:49,190
thought it was they removed particles

1336
01:05:53,740 --> 01:05:51,790
and examined them I'm not sure about

1337
01:05:55,420 --> 01:05:53,750
where they actually removed it from

1338
01:05:56,830 --> 01:05:55,430
Mexico City hauled it to New Mexico and

1339
01:06:00,640 --> 01:05:56,840
brought it back I don't know about that

1340
01:06:02,470 --> 01:06:00,650
well I mean I didn't go ahead good no no

1341
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:02,480
I just wondering if I could just before

1342
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:04,010
we leave one point just just make a

1343
01:06:08,090 --> 01:06:06,650
brief a couple of statements about about

1344
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:08,100
the the children

1345
01:06:14,670 --> 01:06:11,250
these things in the paranormal in

1346
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:14,680
general I've and certainly with these

1347
01:06:21,570 --> 01:06:17,410
miracles I found that children have not

1348
01:06:23,850 --> 01:06:21,580
had belief in the wonderful educators

1349
01:06:25,770 --> 01:06:23,860
out of them yet which is very yeah

1350
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:25,780
because if you look at all the saints

1351
01:06:29,940 --> 01:06:27,970
particularly in in the Western Church

1352
01:06:31,740 --> 01:06:29,950
the Roman Catholic Church you have

1353
01:06:33,510 --> 01:06:31,750
people you know the Fathers of the

1354
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:33,520
Church like st. Thomas Aquinas you know

1355
01:06:38,100 --> 01:06:36,370
great great scholar dr. of the church he

1356
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:38,110
never saw the thing he never saw it the

1357
01:06:42,210 --> 01:06:39,610
Virgin Mary or ever had it he never had

1358
01:06:44,490 --> 01:06:42,220
miracles happened to him whereas the

1359
01:06:48,540 --> 01:06:44,500
people who were the simplest ones who

1360
01:06:51,450 --> 01:06:48,550
did not have were not scholars tend to

1361
01:06:53,850 --> 01:06:51,460
have the most supernatural things happen

1362
01:06:55,620 --> 01:06:53,860
to them you know st. Augustine you know

1363
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:55,630
I mean he was a great scholar and he

1364
01:06:57,660 --> 01:06:57,010
went through the whole thing with the

1365
01:07:01,020 --> 01:06:57,670
Manichaean

1366
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:01,030
movement and everything else as far as I

1367
01:07:05,540 --> 01:07:03,970
know he never had any of lords or Fatima

1368
01:07:07,590 --> 01:07:05,550
type miracles happen

1369
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:07,600
yeah so I think that's just an

1370
01:07:12,870 --> 01:07:09,250
interesting point it depends where we

1371
01:07:16,530 --> 01:07:12,880
are what that is as we yes but I find it

1372
01:07:19,020 --> 01:07:16,540
very uplifting really I mean this grim

1373
01:07:23,220 --> 01:07:19,030
world I I'm glad these things exist

1374
01:07:27,450 --> 01:07:23,230
everyone - yeah what do you think Kevin

1375
01:07:30,780 --> 01:07:27,460
what would you think of the the spear of

1376
01:07:33,900 --> 01:07:30,790
destiny which is more I guess more of a

1377
01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:33,910
relic obviously but Hitler thought that

1378
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:36,880
if he possessed it would allow him to

1379
01:07:42,210 --> 01:07:39,370
conquer the the world would you say that

1380
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:42,220
I've heard little stories about that but

1381
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:43,450
I don't know any more than that

1382
01:07:48,060 --> 01:07:45,970
yeah well Heinrich Himmler was really

1383
01:07:49,890 --> 01:07:48,070
there's a lot of baloney out there about

1384
01:07:52,380 --> 01:07:49,900
what Hitler really really believed them

1385
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:52,390
a Hitler that was very pragmatic and

1386
01:07:58,260 --> 01:07:56,290
ruthless it was really Himmler the head

1387
01:08:01,040 --> 01:07:58,270
of the SS and the Gestapo etcetera who

1388
01:08:02,940 --> 01:08:01,050
Heinrich Himmler who was a believer in

1389
01:08:04,470 --> 01:08:02,950
astrology and all these other different

1390
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:04,480
things you know and you know he tried

1391
01:08:08,010 --> 01:08:06,400
would try to foist it on Hitler and he

1392
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:08,020
was the one who very often would you

1393
01:08:11,790 --> 01:08:09,520
know have these weird ceremonies that

1394
01:08:13,620 --> 01:08:11,800
Babelsberg castle and all this business

1395
01:08:16,110 --> 01:08:13,630
hey and he was trying to get stuff like

1396
01:08:17,580 --> 01:08:16,120
the the Ark and all this stuff so and

1397
01:08:19,530 --> 01:08:17,590
the Hitler thought it we you know kind

1398
01:08:21,339 --> 01:08:19,540
of thought it was kind of a music just

1399
01:08:23,289 --> 01:08:21,349
from people I know who knew him

1400
01:08:25,870 --> 01:08:23,299
you know I thought it was you thought

1401
01:08:27,370 --> 01:08:25,880
you know it was kind of goofy but yeah I

1402
01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:27,380
put up with it cuz he liked him Loreen

1403
01:08:32,289 --> 01:08:30,409
it was him Leopard Paul that Hitler was

1404
01:08:34,930 --> 01:08:32,299
demonically possessed from some of those

1405
01:08:39,849 --> 01:08:34,940
extra mean that's why there was I

1406
01:08:43,660 --> 01:08:39,859
actually knew well I I knew someone who

1407
01:08:44,979 --> 01:08:43,670
knew Hermann Goering after he was

1408
01:08:47,109 --> 01:08:44,989
captured by the Allies he was the

1409
01:08:48,780 --> 01:08:47,119
psychologist who worked with him and I

1410
01:08:52,300 --> 01:08:48,790
knew him and I also knew Hitler's

1411
01:08:53,769 --> 01:08:52,310
veterinarian who went there from

1412
01:08:57,849 --> 01:08:53,779
Connecticut and would take care of our

1413
01:09:01,829 --> 01:08:57,859
cats a doctor and from the two of them

1414
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:01,839
it said said Hitler would had well well

1415
01:09:08,890 --> 01:09:06,130
dr. Loe who was the guy who knew gorg

1416
01:09:10,599 --> 01:09:08,900
Goering said to him what did you see in

1417
01:09:12,700 --> 01:09:10,609
that guy meaning Hitler is that they've

1418
01:09:16,059 --> 01:09:12,710
kind of became friendly and he said he

1419
01:09:17,499 --> 01:09:16,069
had the most amazing blue eyes I don't

1420
01:09:29,189 --> 01:09:17,509
know what the hey that kind of answer

1421
01:09:32,379 --> 01:09:29,199
that was but I'm not getting into that

1422
01:09:34,419 --> 01:09:32,389
you have you know but he said that when

1423
01:09:35,349 --> 01:09:34,429
he'd be in these huge rallies you know

1424
01:09:36,579 --> 01:09:35,359
millions of people II don't have

1425
01:09:39,069 --> 01:09:36,589
millions but a thousands of people

1426
01:09:41,260 --> 01:09:39,079
screaming and you know how he'd be

1427
01:09:42,970 --> 01:09:41,270
walking up and and he said that there'd

1428
01:09:45,959 --> 01:09:42,980
be people for about 20 feet all around

1429
01:09:47,919 --> 01:09:45,969
Hitler it would be absolute silence

1430
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:47,929
maybe because they wanted even say

1431
01:09:51,249 --> 01:09:49,369
anything I don't know but they said it

1432
01:09:55,899 --> 01:09:51,259
was it was a very mystical kind of thing

1433
01:09:57,339 --> 01:09:55,909
and in demonic or parasitical context

1434
01:09:59,080 --> 01:09:57,349
yeah I can see that kind of thing I

1435
01:10:01,149 --> 01:09:59,090
think we see it all over governments all

1436
01:10:03,850 --> 01:10:01,159
over the world families individuals and

1437
01:10:05,410 --> 01:10:03,860
that's a periodic we have convulsions

1438
01:10:06,850 --> 01:10:05,420
and say it's after me it's after me and

1439
01:10:09,879 --> 01:10:06,860
started to try to bite the rug or

1440
01:10:11,950 --> 01:10:09,889
something involved in the exorcisms I

1441
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:11,960
was involved with in the 70s where the

1442
01:10:15,069 --> 01:10:13,489
priests told me to pay no attention to

1443
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:15,079
the contention that the people were

1444
01:10:20,979 --> 01:10:19,010
seeing UFOs and and aliens you know

1445
01:10:22,990 --> 01:10:20,989
there was you know there was a real

1446
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:23,000
sense of this kind of thing things

1447
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:26,000
happening outside the the patience that

1448
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:28,130
any kind of psychosis in this is in a

1449
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:31,250
State Hospital context bearclaw's so oh

1450
01:10:34,450 --> 01:10:33,770
I got you I can believe that

1451
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:34,460
it's

1452
01:10:39,610 --> 01:10:36,770
whole new topic really I guess really

1453
01:10:41,620 --> 01:10:39,620
those oh by the way they found there

1454
01:10:42,940 --> 01:10:41,630
there's some skullduggery remember the

1455
01:10:44,979 --> 01:10:42,950
place that you and Shane were

1456
01:10:47,530 --> 01:10:44,989
investigating northeast of Pittsburgh

1457
01:10:49,810 --> 01:10:47,540
oh yeah well there's been some new

1458
01:10:53,500 --> 01:10:49,820
skullduggery about some lost gold that

1459
01:10:54,490 --> 01:10:53,510
was actually heard about that yeah we

1460
01:10:57,880 --> 01:10:54,500
were supposed to go back there this

1461
01:11:00,040 --> 01:10:57,890
month but there was an illness in the

1462
01:11:02,410 --> 01:11:00,050
family to host us and we're gonna put it

1463
01:11:04,900 --> 01:11:02,420
off for a few months but we want to keep

1464
01:11:05,950 --> 01:11:04,910
the momentum going down there well it

1465
01:11:08,709 --> 01:11:05,960
could have been as much as a quarter

1466
01:11:10,030 --> 01:11:08,719
billion dollars oh wow really oh well

1467
01:11:10,810 --> 01:11:10,040
maybe we should get back there sooner

1468
01:11:15,820 --> 01:11:10,820
than we planned

1469
01:11:18,370 --> 01:11:15,830
oh come with us well like like is like

1470
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:18,380
isn't like treasure or gold coins or

1471
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:20,960
it's gold bullion the Confederate stolen

1472
01:11:26,380 --> 01:11:23,330
oh that one okay

1473
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:26,390
you know what we did we we did a we did

1474
01:11:34,990 --> 01:11:30,890
a book on spirits and apparitions who's

1475
01:11:37,420 --> 01:11:35,000
led people to who lead people to vast

1476
01:11:40,090 --> 01:11:37,430
treasures or either or either that or

1477
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:40,100
kill them on the way as they're going to

1478
01:11:47,229 --> 01:11:42,650
looking for them it's kind of a toss-up

1479
01:11:51,670 --> 01:11:47,239
between the one or the the other of

1480
01:11:54,430 --> 01:11:51,680
course yeah oh okay good because we are

1481
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:54,440
at our bottom now we're great so we come

1482
01:11:59,920 --> 01:11:56,570
back we'll continue over to conversation

1483
01:12:01,110 --> 01:11:59,930
unexplored now back to exploring the

1484
01:12:03,020 --> 01:12:01,120
bazaars

1485
01:12:06,150 --> 01:12:03,030
with two of the most electrifying

1486
01:12:11,670 --> 01:12:06,160
researchers in the Paranoid your hosts

1487
01:12:15,030 --> 01:12:11,680
Timothy Becca Lee panting sports and

1488
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:15,040
welcome back to the final segment of

1489
01:12:19,140 --> 01:12:16,930
exploiting the bizarre Tim I can't

1490
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:19,150
believe here we are at the the bottom of

1491
01:12:21,180 --> 01:12:20,770
the hour and time has flown by so

1492
01:12:24,270 --> 01:12:21,190
quickly

1493
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:24,280
okay well it always it seems like the

1494
01:12:30,090 --> 01:12:28,690
two hours the do bill rather rapidly of

1495
01:12:33,090 --> 01:12:30,100
course we've got some really fascinating

1496
01:12:36,050 --> 01:12:33,100
guests at this evening on a very

1497
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:36,060
miraculous subject so that helps to well

1498
01:12:41,790 --> 01:12:39,370
explain that there indeed and we cover

1499
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:41,800
the whole spectrum here of the bizarre

1500
01:12:47,700 --> 01:12:45,760
and the unusual you know and if any of

1501
01:12:49,710 --> 01:12:47,710
our listeners out there have some

1502
01:12:52,710 --> 01:12:49,720
unusual experiences in their life that

1503
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:52,720
they would like to share with their our

1504
01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:54,970
audience we're always open to new guests

1505
01:13:01,440 --> 01:12:57,730
I mean we'd like to have on the people

1506
01:13:07,460 --> 01:13:01,450
who haven't been overexposed in the

1507
01:13:11,490 --> 01:13:07,470
media so do drop us a line the K cor

1508
01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:11,500
radio.com and tell us a little bit about

1509
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:14,110
yourself and what you would like to talk

1510
01:13:20,030 --> 01:13:16,690
about and we certainly will consider

1511
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:20,040
that yeah absolutely

1512
01:13:28,110 --> 01:13:23,440
well no okay gentlemen we've we've

1513
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:28,120
talked about Marian apparitions and you

1514
01:13:32,130 --> 01:13:29,770
know things like that especially you

1515
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:32,140
know that that you know seems to involve

1516
01:13:40,190 --> 01:13:36,480
a number of people but what about

1517
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:40,200
stigmata you know there's another

1518
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:42,730
phenomena that that I have found

1519
01:13:47,970 --> 01:13:45,970
fascinating for you know a long time and

1520
01:13:50,130 --> 01:13:47,980
you know you have people like fault

1521
01:13:51,660 --> 01:13:50,140
on that because I don't I don't know

1522
01:13:53,340 --> 01:13:51,670
that much about except but you know of

1523
01:13:55,290 --> 01:13:53,350
course Padre Pio or something right

1524
01:13:59,310 --> 01:13:55,300
right yeah well I think Padre Pio is

1525
01:14:03,030 --> 01:13:59,320
probably one of the more a famous well

1526
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:03,040
sure you know about that but well I mean

1527
01:14:07,350 --> 01:14:04,570
you know Paul I mean you know what about

1528
01:14:09,570 --> 01:14:07,360
what about the stigmata well it's it's

1529
01:14:14,290 --> 01:14:09,580
very from the eastern point of view it's

1530
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:14,300
very odd there are different kinds of it

1531
01:14:19,810 --> 01:14:17,690
what what the stigmata are are on there

1532
01:14:22,900 --> 01:14:19,820
were five wounds Christ received major

1533
01:14:27,820 --> 01:14:22,910
ones Christ received by tradition on

1534
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:27,830
Calvary when he was hanging well before

1535
01:14:30,580 --> 01:14:29,570
he had to carry the cross when he

1536
01:14:33,850 --> 01:14:30,590
carried the cross of when he was

1537
01:14:36,060 --> 01:14:33,860
crucified one of course are the the the

1538
01:14:39,370 --> 01:14:36,070
wounds around the the crown of the head

1539
01:14:41,700 --> 01:14:39,380
through the crown of thorns then there

1540
01:14:47,650 --> 01:14:41,710
was on the cross they for example the

1541
01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:47,660
Spear of Destiny the the tradition that

1542
01:14:51,310 --> 01:14:49,280
exists is actually this is the actual

1543
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:51,320
spear that pierced his side there's that

1544
01:14:56,410 --> 01:14:53,930
wound as well which the gospel set out

1545
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:56,420
flowed blood and water and the course

1546
01:15:00,880 --> 01:14:57,650
the wounds and the hands and the wounds

1547
01:15:04,290 --> 01:15:00,890
and the feet I guess that's six one but

1548
01:15:09,730 --> 01:15:04,300
any case that there are sometimes people

1549
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:09,740
who are not really particularly into the

1550
01:15:14,410 --> 01:15:11,450
Passion of Christ you know there of

1551
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:14,420
Catholics most for the most part but not

1552
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:16,850
always you almost always they'll receive

1553
01:15:21,940 --> 01:15:18,530
some of the wounds you know there might

1554
01:15:23,290 --> 01:15:21,950
have the wounds in the hands or just

1555
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:23,300
around the head and you know what

1556
01:15:26,890 --> 01:15:25,520
whatever this was a psychosomatic thing

1557
01:15:27,790 --> 01:15:26,900
this could be or whatever or whether it

1558
01:15:29,470 --> 01:15:27,800
really is divine

1559
01:15:31,540 --> 01:15:29,480
you know I can't tell you I know that

1560
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:31,550
here in Woonsocket Rhode Island which I

1561
01:15:36,970 --> 01:15:33,050
like to think it's kind of a second home

1562
01:15:39,100 --> 01:15:36,980
for Tim Beckley here in our little radio

1563
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:39,110
station here where he appeared over 50

1564
01:15:47,470 --> 01:15:41,570
years ago himself on the subject of the

1565
01:15:50,770 --> 01:15:47,480
paranormal there was a young lady known

1566
01:15:53,650 --> 01:15:50,780
as Marie Rose Ferran and you know I

1567
01:15:55,690 --> 01:15:53,660
Drive by her shrine 10 times a day but

1568
01:15:58,120 --> 01:15:55,700
she's not she was never canonized or

1569
01:16:00,210 --> 01:15:58,130
recognized as a saint by the Latin

1570
01:16:02,860 --> 01:16:00,220
Church by the Roman Catholic Church I

1571
01:16:04,750 --> 01:16:02,870
think mainly for political reasons but

1572
01:16:09,990 --> 01:16:04,760
she was a young girl she was born in

1573
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:10,000
1902 and she died in 1936 but she was

1574
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:13,130
had these wounds all all the wounds

1575
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:18,320
supposedly yeah brother Andre Bessette

1576
01:16:23,290 --> 01:16:20,570
from Montreal someone to whom I have

1577
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:23,300
always had a great devotion when I was

1578
01:16:27,460 --> 01:16:25,250
in the seminar I used to go pray it is

1579
01:16:29,770 --> 01:16:27,470
his tool mean the kind of

1580
01:16:31,660 --> 01:16:29,780
wonderful experience I thought he came

1581
01:16:33,910 --> 01:16:31,670
to Woonsocket from Montreal and will

1582
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:33,920
talk it is not far from Boston maybe 30

1583
01:16:37,330 --> 01:16:35,810
miles it's in the northeast corner of

1584
01:16:39,130 --> 01:16:37,340
Rhode Island which is the smallest state

1585
01:16:40,900 --> 01:16:39,140
and so this you know everybody knows

1586
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:40,910
where it is he came all the way from

1587
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:43,250
Montreal and that cut some ice with me

1588
01:16:50,230 --> 01:16:46,610
if he took it seriously then you know I

1589
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:50,240
I'm interested now I had a very and you

1590
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:53,210
can see this in in my book our book Ben

1591
01:16:57,010 --> 01:16:54,650
and I wrote behind the paranormal

1592
01:16:58,330 --> 01:16:57,020
everything you know is wrong 2016 there

1593
01:17:02,670 --> 01:16:58,340
are a series of photographs that I took

1594
01:17:05,950 --> 01:17:02,680
at her grave now I had old-time Kodak

1595
01:17:08,770 --> 01:17:05,960
slide film and I just happened I Drive

1596
01:17:11,140 --> 01:17:08,780
by the Precious Blood cemetery every you

1597
01:17:13,090 --> 01:17:11,150
know a couple you know I see two or

1598
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:13,100
three times a day sometimes I just went

1599
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:16,010
in and that's where her she's buried and

1600
01:17:19,810 --> 01:17:18,050
there's a flat stone with others it's

1601
01:17:21,220 --> 01:17:19,820
flowers are always kept around and her

1602
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:21,230
bio was up there on the top

1603
01:17:25,390 --> 01:17:23,360
I took a series of five or actually six

1604
01:17:27,370 --> 01:17:25,400
photos and the first one was totally

1605
01:17:30,070 --> 01:17:27,380
dark the second one had a little bit of

1606
01:17:32,050 --> 01:17:30,080
light seeming to come from her stone the

1607
01:17:34,990 --> 01:17:32,060
third one the light was brighter and was

1608
01:17:37,030 --> 01:17:35,000
reflecting off a nearby stone and so on

1609
01:17:39,670 --> 01:17:37,040
into a normal picture and you can see

1610
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:39,680
from the pictures that the cloud

1611
01:17:43,030 --> 01:17:41,330
formations in the sky were exactly the

1612
01:17:44,670 --> 01:17:43,040
same so you can see there's no doubt

1613
01:17:47,710 --> 01:17:44,680
that was taken at the same time in place

1614
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:47,720
I don't really know how to explain that

1615
01:17:53,980 --> 01:17:51,290
but it's very interesting from the I

1616
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:53,990
guess they had a graphic point of view

1617
01:17:58,750 --> 01:17:55,970
the point of view of the saints now she

1618
01:18:00,720 --> 01:17:58,760
was considered by the Diocese of

1619
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:00,730
Providence Rhode Island for

1620
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:02,930
recommendation for canonization you know

1621
01:18:08,830 --> 01:18:07,370
to Rome however there was a the Sentinel

1622
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:08,840
list controversy was going on at the

1623
01:18:14,260 --> 01:18:12,010
time the French Canadian settlers here

1624
01:18:17,020 --> 01:18:14,270
immigrants here who worked in the mills

1625
01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:17,030
in New England wanted to keep French as

1626
01:18:20,110 --> 01:18:18,080
their language they wanted to keep

1627
01:18:21,940 --> 01:18:20,120
French in the Catholic schools and the

1628
01:18:23,380 --> 01:18:21,950
Irish Catholic bishop of Providence was

1629
01:18:25,420 --> 01:18:23,390
having none of that and there was a big

1630
01:18:26,950 --> 01:18:25,430
fight and I think they were afraid that

1631
01:18:29,710 --> 01:18:26,960
if she were canonized it would just give

1632
01:18:31,450 --> 01:18:29,720
add fuel to the fire of the French

1633
01:18:33,100 --> 01:18:31,460
Canadian nationalism that was taking

1634
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:33,110
place in Rhode Island in Massachusetts

1635
01:18:37,690 --> 01:18:36,050
at the time so regardless of that there

1636
01:18:40,330 --> 01:18:37,700
still is a global following but the

1637
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:40,340
stigmata were very present was Whitten

1638
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:41,690
by the Bishop of Providence who

1639
01:18:45,700 --> 01:18:43,730
supposedly came to see her certainly by

1640
01:18:46,930 --> 01:18:45,710
a brother Andre who I believe him the

1641
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:46,940
correct me if I'm wrong had come but I

1642
01:18:53,470 --> 01:18:50,210
believe he himself also had had periods

1643
01:18:56,050 --> 01:18:53,480
of which stigmata type things would

1644
01:18:59,439 --> 01:18:56,060
appear in his body well and not

1645
01:19:01,330 --> 01:18:59,449
regularly but so that's kind of what

1646
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:01,340
that is and it does appear here and

1647
01:19:06,580 --> 01:19:04,250
there that has been known in among

1648
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:06,590
people who were not Christians from time

1649
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:10,010
to time but that's extremely rare so

1650
01:19:13,359 --> 01:19:12,050
that's essentially the stigmata that's

1651
01:19:14,859 --> 01:19:13,369
that's what it is

1652
01:19:16,990 --> 01:19:14,869
wounds of Christ appearing in someone's

1653
01:19:18,669 --> 01:19:17,000
body we I knew that but I really other

1654
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:18,679
than Padre Pio I really didn't know the

1655
01:19:22,780 --> 01:19:20,690
other yeah well again the Eastern Church

1656
01:19:25,780 --> 01:19:22,790
the Orthodox don't don't have that kind

1657
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:25,790
of thing here because of the of the

1658
01:19:29,740 --> 01:19:27,170
emphasis the spiritual emphasis on the

1659
01:19:32,649 --> 01:19:29,750
resurrection of Christ that there will

1660
01:19:34,870 --> 01:19:32,659
be the resurrection all miracles even to

1661
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:34,880
take place at Easter were paska as they

1662
01:19:38,050 --> 01:19:36,770
call it so it again I think God takes

1663
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:38,060
you where you are and if these are

1664
01:19:42,030 --> 01:19:40,400
divine phenomena which I don't see any

1665
01:19:44,589 --> 01:19:42,040
reason to doubt that they that they are

1666
01:19:47,260 --> 01:19:44,599
you know it depends that you bring your

1667
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:47,270
own spirituality and faith to it right

1668
01:19:50,020 --> 01:19:49,610
right I can believe that I can't believe

1669
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:50,030
that

1670
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:53,690
sure enough but I don't know it's it is

1671
01:19:56,859 --> 01:19:55,250
I would sure like to be running around

1672
01:19:58,410 --> 01:19:56,869
investigating for the International

1673
01:20:00,939 --> 01:19:58,420
Marine Research as to it I think

1674
01:20:03,339 --> 01:20:00,949
interesting as all get-out you talked to

1675
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:03,349
my daughter-in-law Ben's wife is a Roman

1676
01:20:08,919 --> 01:20:06,130
Catholic and she's very very devoted to

1677
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:08,929
the miracles of Fatima and that she has

1678
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:11,210
a meetup group and certainly to Padre

1679
01:20:15,339 --> 01:20:13,730
Pio and you know she'd be very

1680
01:20:18,100 --> 01:20:15,349
interested in talking to you sometime at

1681
01:20:20,530 --> 01:20:18,110
it oh I think I would I think I'd be

1682
01:20:22,300 --> 01:20:20,540
enjoyed talking to her you know I had an

1683
01:20:24,250 --> 01:20:22,310
interesting job off for about a year ago

1684
01:20:27,419 --> 01:20:24,260
I don't think I ever told you about it I

1685
01:20:29,410 --> 01:20:27,429
had a guest on it was a Eastern Orthodox

1686
01:20:30,100 --> 01:20:29,420
Exorcist and he wanted me be his

1687
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:30,110
assistant

1688
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:32,570
that's early really I'd have yeah I'd

1689
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:33,679
have to leave the church to go the

1690
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:36,610
Eastern Orthodox Church but I don't know

1691
01:20:44,020 --> 01:20:39,650
I've not see that that great of

1692
01:20:47,260 --> 01:20:44,030
lifestyle exercises guy was legit

1693
01:20:48,609 --> 01:20:47,270
oh yeah yeah yeah because I was the

1694
01:20:50,830 --> 01:20:48,619
Orthodox threw me out of the seminary

1695
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:50,840
because I was younger I was a recent

1696
01:20:53,979 --> 01:20:52,400
convert and they thought I should have

1697
01:20:55,239 --> 01:20:53,989
my nose of my books

1698
01:20:56,919 --> 01:20:55,249
not be fooling around with a Lorraine

1699
01:21:00,040 --> 01:20:56,929
Warren oh this guy we you know you know

1700
01:21:02,529 --> 01:21:00,050
he straight-up Eastern Orthodox priest

1701
01:21:06,419 --> 01:21:02,539
out of Lincoln Nebraska and really okay

1702
01:21:08,770 --> 01:21:06,429
no but I know several priests who are

1703
01:21:11,009 --> 01:21:08,780
they don't advertise it but they do that

1704
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:11,019
I think that they have we have a lot of

1705
01:21:15,939 --> 01:21:13,489
people pre-clear G of all kinds we're

1706
01:21:19,810 --> 01:21:15,949
kind of interested in our show and that

1707
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:19,820
country so there you go a bad have to

1708
01:21:23,140 --> 01:21:21,170
say that was one of the one of the

1709
01:21:25,060 --> 01:21:23,150
weirdest job offers I've ever had but

1710
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:25,070
you guys can make a living out I don't

1711
01:21:30,850 --> 01:21:28,249
get that no you doubt the church you'd

1712
01:21:32,589 --> 01:21:30,860
be on salary you know and it doesn't

1713
01:21:35,290 --> 01:21:32,599
sound legit that doesn't sound canonical

1714
01:21:37,029 --> 01:21:35,300
to me I don't know I didn't look into it

1715
01:21:39,339 --> 01:21:37,039
any but I'm yeah I don't that they're

1716
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:39,349
actresses in the Roman Church time well

1717
01:21:41,620 --> 01:21:40,010
there are but it's very

1718
01:21:43,450 --> 01:21:41,630
institutionalized in the Latin Church in

1719
01:21:46,750 --> 01:21:43,460
the Orthodox Church you know just the

1720
01:21:49,359 --> 01:21:46,760
priest has authority to simply do it but

1721
01:21:53,919 --> 01:21:49,369
the thing is is you you take all

1722
01:21:56,350 --> 01:21:53,929
possible pains to avoid that kind of or

1723
01:21:58,479 --> 01:21:56,360
it right there there are exorcisms in

1724
01:22:00,580 --> 01:21:58,489
everything you know in a very low-key

1725
01:22:03,339 --> 01:22:00,590
way all the services particularly

1726
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:03,349
baptism as in the Latin Church but in

1727
01:22:06,700 --> 01:22:05,090
the Roman Church in my experience that

1728
01:22:08,770 --> 01:22:06,710
they seem to wait until that happens and

1729
01:22:10,899 --> 01:22:08,780
then you have to deal with so maybe

1730
01:22:12,669 --> 01:22:10,909
don't know I didn't look into it more

1731
01:22:14,620 --> 01:22:12,679
than just the offer but I mean it was

1732
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:14,630
yeah music I'd like to find out more

1733
01:22:19,959 --> 01:22:16,130
about that because it sounds kind of odd

1734
01:22:23,739 --> 01:22:19,969
to me priests up there I don't know like

1735
01:22:27,250 --> 01:22:23,749
I said but it was about a year ago but

1736
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:27,260
since then he's left the Eastern

1737
01:22:32,620 --> 01:22:29,920
Orthodox Church and gone and from some

1738
01:22:34,810 --> 01:22:32,630
Anglican group or something out he

1739
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:34,820
sounds like one of these you know a non

1740
01:22:38,799 --> 01:22:36,650
canonical guy who's not really with a

1741
01:22:40,299 --> 01:22:38,809
legitimate bishop and the plenty of

1742
01:22:42,580 --> 01:22:40,309
Roman Catholic groups like that to who

1743
01:22:43,660 --> 01:22:42,590
were all true conservative and kind kind

1744
01:22:45,310 --> 01:22:43,670
of we're not are not in communion with

1745
01:22:48,129 --> 01:22:45,320
Rome anymore I mean the then Lorraine

1746
01:22:49,540 --> 01:22:48,139
Warren was not the Antioch group or

1747
01:22:51,700 --> 01:22:49,550
something I mean I'm not really that

1748
01:22:52,930 --> 01:22:51,710
familiar in these two Eastern yeah well

1749
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:52,940
I don't know if this is what our host

1750
01:22:57,790 --> 01:22:55,730
wanted us to talk about go for it it's

1751
01:23:02,890 --> 01:22:57,800
yeah it's very yeah the intricacies of

1752
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:02,900
canonicity in the eastern sorry to get

1753
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:05,570
off of that rabbit holes just an

1754
01:23:07,740 --> 01:23:07,489
interesting job offer I don't know that

1755
01:23:18,930 --> 01:23:07,750
I

1756
01:23:22,500 --> 01:23:18,940
fired because of it so to speak so well

1757
01:23:24,990 --> 01:23:22,510
okay well now you've both of you you

1758
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:25,000
bring up a good point though I mean and

1759
01:23:30,690 --> 01:23:26,770
and this was something that you kind of

1760
01:23:34,980 --> 01:23:30,700
you know casually talked about earlier

1761
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:34,990
in the program when it comes to these

1762
01:23:42,750 --> 01:23:39,010
types of events miracles you know what

1763
01:23:46,020 --> 01:23:42,760
have you with the exception of the

1764
01:23:48,450 --> 01:23:46,030
bureaucracy how could you tell whether

1765
01:23:50,250 --> 01:23:48,460
or not you're dealing with something you

1766
01:23:52,020 --> 01:23:50,260
know actually a religious miracle or

1767
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:52,030
something else you know you know you

1768
01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:54,330
know something demonic or what-have-you

1769
01:23:59,370 --> 01:23:57,850
well well they do study it I Paul

1770
01:24:02,640 --> 01:23:59,380
probably knows more than I do on that

1771
01:24:04,020 --> 01:24:02,650
but I mean that like I say that the

1772
01:24:06,570 --> 01:24:04,030
International Marion research has to do

1773
01:24:08,610 --> 01:24:06,580
they defer a lot of times if it I mean I

1774
01:24:10,260 --> 01:24:08,620
there's the diocese will investigate it

1775
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:10,270
but I mean if I guess if they think it

1776
01:24:14,580 --> 01:24:12,000
has merit they'll go further with it

1777
01:24:15,930 --> 01:24:14,590
yeah this is essentially true but and

1778
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:15,940
you know in the Eastern Church it's it's

1779
01:24:21,780 --> 01:24:18,610
it's immediately distrusted oh I don't

1780
01:24:23,490 --> 01:24:21,790
know Easter Church yeah well in fact and

1781
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:23,500
miracles of that kind of generally

1782
01:24:27,570 --> 01:24:25,930
considered a distraction knows why

1783
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:27,580
they're distrusted you know you know you

1784
01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:29,050
don't know they married them of the

1785
01:24:32,340 --> 01:24:30,490
miracle is every day you know kind of

1786
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:32,350
getting out of bed and I know whether

1787
01:24:39,810 --> 01:24:36,810
having love of your family and of God

1788
01:24:42,030 --> 01:24:39,820
coming do you know of any miracles or

1789
01:24:46,230 --> 01:24:42,040
supposed miracles that are being

1790
01:24:49,860 --> 01:24:46,240
investigated by the church currently yes

1791
01:24:52,140 --> 01:24:49,870
there are there say uh Oh golly that

1792
01:24:55,010 --> 01:24:52,150
there's a there's a website I look at

1793
01:24:58,410 --> 01:24:55,020
almost every day spirit daily calm and

1794
01:25:00,600 --> 01:24:58,420
there's a weeping statue in the Ukraine

1795
01:25:02,490 --> 01:25:00,610
of the Virgin Mary and they're looking

1796
01:25:04,410 --> 01:25:02,500
into that and of it and what I'm saying

1797
01:25:07,140 --> 01:25:04,420
is that spirit daily.com will have kind

1798
01:25:09,570 --> 01:25:07,150
of a all the latest news from all over

1799
01:25:11,460 --> 01:25:09,580
the world on Catholicism and they have

1800
01:25:13,500 --> 01:25:11,470
various miracles and what-have-you and

1801
01:25:16,140 --> 01:25:13,510
that's one of the ones that's dhikr

1802
01:25:18,270 --> 01:25:16,150
that's currently making the rounds well

1803
01:25:20,430 --> 01:25:18,280
I believe the magic Gori that person was

1804
01:25:23,220 --> 01:25:20,440
I think started 1981

1805
01:25:25,380 --> 01:25:23,230
are still being investigated yes they

1806
01:25:28,140 --> 01:25:25,390
are yeah and have not been approved now

1807
01:25:30,209 --> 01:25:28,150
my daughter-in-law so was a great

1808
01:25:31,260 --> 01:25:30,219
devotee of my jaggery although I've had

1809
01:25:33,870 --> 01:25:31,270
I've talked to people who've been there

1810
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:33,880
who thought it was very kind of creepy

1811
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:38,770
and yeah I've heard yeah yeah but you

1812
01:25:42,900 --> 01:25:40,570
know what's funny is that that our Lady

1813
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:42,910
of Good Hope out there in the Wisconsin

1814
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:45,610
that was they approved as a the eleventh

1815
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:48,130
Church approved miracle or apparition

1816
01:25:53,939 --> 01:25:52,090
and uh what I'm saying is uh okay we're

1817
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:53,949
looking into it for Paul like a hundred

1818
01:25:58,200 --> 01:25:56,770
and twenty years or something I'm not

1819
01:26:00,780 --> 01:25:58,210
familiar with I've heard of it but I

1820
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:00,790
don't know much about it well III just

1821
01:26:05,209 --> 01:26:03,130
it came up after I wrote the book Marian

1822
01:26:08,700 --> 01:26:05,219
apparitions are real don't you hate that

1823
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:08,710
you even if I know I know but what I'm

1824
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:10,210
saying is I did I don't know that I just

1825
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:13,330
have very sketchy information on it but

1826
01:26:18,570 --> 01:26:15,130
I mean they just took two thousand years

1827
01:26:20,220 --> 01:26:18,580
practically to come up with a decision

1828
01:26:22,530 --> 01:26:20,230
on it I don't know what information

1829
01:26:24,209 --> 01:26:22,540
window threw them over the top to go

1830
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:24,219
ahead and grant its approval I don't

1831
01:26:29,970 --> 01:26:28,090
know well time for a sequel no but

1832
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:29,980
writing a book it's off I you I gotta

1833
01:26:35,630 --> 01:26:31,810
give you guys credit to do that but

1834
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:35,640
writing a book was wretchedly hard work

1835
01:26:41,700 --> 01:26:38,410
it takes me five years and then and I

1836
01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:41,710
work on it you mean you don't do three

1837
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:49,120
books a month you know I'd rather work

1838
01:26:56,189 --> 01:26:51,010
at a Pennsylvania coal mine that write

1839
01:26:59,610 --> 01:26:56,199
of gold yeah yeah well you know you know

1840
01:27:01,979 --> 01:26:59,620
the truth of the matter is though it we

1841
01:27:04,770 --> 01:27:01,989
have I've been collecting this material

1842
01:27:05,459 --> 01:27:04,780
for 15 years and I happen to know where

1843
01:27:08,370 --> 01:27:05,469
it is

1844
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:08,380
see so if now our latest book of course

1845
01:27:14,610 --> 01:27:10,930
is screwed by the alien which is people

1846
01:27:16,830 --> 01:27:14,620
who have had yeah had actual uh claims

1847
01:27:20,310 --> 01:27:16,840
that have had actual sexual congress

1848
01:27:22,890 --> 01:27:20,320
with ETS or or spirits or something

1849
01:27:25,470 --> 01:27:22,900
along that line and the next one we're

1850
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:25,480
doing is alien blood lust

1851
01:27:32,850 --> 01:27:28,290
Scott Corrales who is one of the

1852
01:27:34,890 --> 01:27:32,860
foremost researchers of UFOs in the

1853
01:27:37,500 --> 01:27:34,900
Hispanic community

1854
01:27:40,830 --> 01:27:37,510
when Dan investigated I guess the point

1855
01:27:42,690 --> 01:27:40,840
number of years ago that the Chupacabra

1856
01:27:45,380 --> 01:27:42,700
which is you know kind of been done but

1857
01:27:48,210 --> 01:27:45,390
he's got some original thought on it and

1858
01:27:49,950 --> 01:27:48,220
going back to even ancient times we

1859
01:27:51,810 --> 01:27:49,960
found out that the gods and one of the

1860
01:27:57,870 --> 01:27:51,820
gods of antiquity but those that came

1861
01:28:00,600 --> 01:27:57,880
from upon high demanded a blood of their

1862
01:28:03,140 --> 01:28:00,610
followers that's why we had human

1863
01:28:06,780 --> 01:28:03,150
sacrifices at the time because a blood

1864
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:06,790
gives them energy perhaps that brings

1865
01:28:13,620 --> 01:28:10,480
them down into the physical realm and

1866
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also rejuvenates them and there's a

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company now in California who is taking

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the blood of young younger people and

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infusing seniors and older people with

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the blood and they find that they're

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getting some of the rejuvenation

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characteristics from wreaths yeah yeah

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this is a regular at the corporation

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that's just the started it's going

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public you end up so that's yeah you

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01:28:44,100 --> 01:28:40,990
know it's an intriguing a subject that

1877
01:28:46,740 --> 01:28:44,110
most people shy away from yeah John keel

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talked about there's the famous case

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that he wrote about the bloodmobile the

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red cross blood 'mobile down in Point

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Pleasant West Virginia that was driving

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I guess back to the hospital where the

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shipment of a blood one night and this

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01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:00,640
UFO came down over the bloodmobile with

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01:29:07,650 --> 01:29:05,530
two claw like Oh tentacles coming out of

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01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:07,660
the side of the UFO and tried to lift

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01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:10,210
the bloodmobile into the air and take it

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01:29:20,340 --> 01:29:17,530
on board the craft though so people say

1889
01:29:23,990 --> 01:29:20,350
well you know if I see a UFO should i I

1890
01:29:27,150 --> 01:29:24,000
tried to make contact and I say you know

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01:29:29,610 --> 01:29:27,160
be a little bit leery I would say you

1892
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:29,620
know yeah I might seem quite leery this

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01:29:33,870 --> 01:29:31,330
well the whole thing that were the cow

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01:29:37,710 --> 01:29:33,880
lips and all the yeah and there are

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01:29:40,670 --> 01:29:37,720
human me elections to not just yeah yeah

1896
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well that that would be in our book UFO

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01:29:48,030 --> 01:29:46,240
hostilities which is great oh it in and

1898
01:29:50,430 --> 01:29:48,040
it's very little his

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actually been a written on it you know

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we take all these reports and even if

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01:30:00,570 --> 01:29:58,270
it's miracles or our UFOs or ghosts and

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01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:00,580
you see them individually but you've got

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01:30:06,870 --> 01:30:04,570
to have some reason to kind of correlate

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01:30:09,390 --> 01:30:06,880
all of them together to see what

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01:30:12,990 --> 01:30:09,400
patterns might exist you know and in the

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01:30:16,590 --> 01:30:13,000
UFO field unfortunately everybody is is

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01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:16,600
very they've got blinders on they only

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01:30:21,390 --> 01:30:18,730
want to see what they want to see and

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01:30:23,970 --> 01:30:21,400
they totally reject anything that kind

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of doesn't fit into their demographics

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01:30:33,450 --> 01:30:26,530
and look Tim look at the time pass here

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01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:33,460
oh yeah in fact I believe that we should

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allow our guests to tell our listeners

1914
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where they might find their literature

1915
01:30:46,650 --> 01:30:43,810
and their websites and their radio shows

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01:30:49,140 --> 01:30:46,660
and things along that line and so Kevin

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01:30:52,170 --> 01:30:49,150
why don't you tell everybody where we

1918
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:52,180
can look for you oh sure the book I've

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01:30:55,650 --> 01:30:53,770
wrote on Marian apparitions is called

1920
01:30:58,430 --> 01:30:55,660
Marian apparitions are real and it could

1921
01:31:01,260 --> 01:30:58,440
be gotten at Amazon Barnes and Noble and

1922
01:31:04,110 --> 01:31:01,270
my radio show is the Kevin Cooke show

1923
01:31:06,510 --> 01:31:04,120
it's on Tuesday nights at 9:00 p.m.

1924
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:06,520
Eastern on late night in the Midland

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01:31:15,750 --> 01:31:12,130
Studio B and welcome we do a lot of

1926
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political stuff though too so it's I

1927
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:17,440
started saying you're doing you're doing

1928
01:31:23,670 --> 01:31:21,130
this show now without without Heidi well

1929
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yes Heidi actually has her own show on

1930
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it and I have my old co-host Clarissa

1931
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:30,670
Vasquez she's on there she was my

1932
01:31:38,190 --> 01:31:32,770
original co-host I started was she on

1933
01:31:39,810 --> 01:31:38,200
the last time I was on no no I course it

1934
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:39,820
just showed back up about three weeks

1935
01:31:46,860 --> 01:31:43,570
ago okay all right and are you are you

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01:31:49,110 --> 01:31:46,870
working and you say you're not a fan of

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01:31:51,810 --> 01:31:49,120
writing but are you considering anything

1938
01:31:53,460 --> 01:31:51,820
else well I was considering writing a

1939
01:31:55,590 --> 01:31:53,470
sequel to the apparitions book but

1940
01:31:58,650 --> 01:31:55,600
actually there's a there's another book

1941
01:32:00,780 --> 01:31:58,660
that we'd be very uplifting and there's

1942
01:32:02,099 --> 01:32:00,790
a lot of the events that occur to people

1943
01:32:04,169 --> 01:32:02,109
when they join the cast

1944
01:32:06,329 --> 01:32:04,179
Church a lot of like spiritual Pat's on

1945
01:32:07,409 --> 01:32:06,339
the head if you will like I had that

1946
01:32:11,549 --> 01:32:07,419
you're in the right place

1947
01:32:13,859 --> 01:32:11,559
and you could check all the RCA programs

1948
01:32:17,449 --> 01:32:13,869
and basically have a pretty good look at

1949
01:32:21,029 --> 01:32:17,459
it and Paul you know over there in

1950
01:32:24,149 --> 01:32:21,039
Woonsocket what what what what do you

1951
01:32:27,270 --> 01:32:24,159
have to offer well anybody can start

1952
01:32:29,399 --> 01:32:27,280
online at behind the paranormal comm

1953
01:32:32,009 --> 01:32:29,409
that's our show website and our main

1954
01:32:34,589 --> 01:32:32,019
website New England ghosts comments got

1955
01:32:39,119 --> 01:32:34,599
a lot of cases histories and things our

1956
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show is on wo and 1240 AM and FM 99 3 FM

1957
01:32:47,009 --> 01:32:42,249
in the Providence Boston area on Sundays

1958
01:32:48,540 --> 01:32:47,019
from 12:00 to 1:00 p.m. Eastern and you

1959
01:32:51,959 --> 01:32:48,550
if you if you're not in the area you can

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get it Oh N worldwide comm hit the O uh

1961
01:32:56,189 --> 01:32:54,189
network icon and you can hear our show

1962
01:32:59,099 --> 01:32:56,199
and also at the behind the paranormal

1963
01:33:03,779 --> 01:32:59,109
site there are over 800 hours of shows

1964
01:33:06,359 --> 01:33:03,789
including for CBS Radio and we're in out

1965
01:33:08,759 --> 01:33:06,369
11 to year-round the air our books are

1966
01:33:10,290 --> 01:33:08,769
I've written a bunch of books and a Ben

1967
01:33:12,029 --> 01:33:10,300
and I wrote behind the paranormal

1968
01:33:14,279 --> 01:33:12,039
everything you know is wrong it's in

1969
01:33:17,609 --> 01:33:14,289
Barnes & Noble you can get it there we

1970
01:33:22,369 --> 01:33:17,619
also behind the paranormal 2 as Tim said

1971
01:33:28,139 --> 01:33:25,799
yeah the dancing past the graveyard

1972
01:33:30,540 --> 01:33:28,149
poltergeist are parasites and parallel

1973
01:33:33,179 --> 01:33:30,550
worlds went to the publisher but it

1974
01:33:41,250 --> 01:33:33,189
won't be out for almost a year now and

1975
01:33:43,619 --> 01:33:41,260
so we're told oh my - scary I want to

1976
01:33:45,839 --> 01:33:43,629
read that one well that that's yeah

1977
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:45,849
that's all personal things that happened

1978
01:33:50,579 --> 01:33:48,489
to me working with the Exorcist and this

1979
01:33:52,250 --> 01:33:50,589
kind of thing and a lot of things people

1980
01:33:57,449 --> 01:33:52,260
are going to be surprised that I'm

1981
01:34:00,899 --> 01:33:57,459
talking about when I'm well we want to

1982
01:34:03,810 --> 01:34:00,909
remind our listeners that they can go to

1983
01:34:07,349 --> 01:34:03,820
our YouTube channel which is mr. UFOs

1984
01:34:11,639 --> 01:34:07,359
secret files and in fact a Peter Peter

1985
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:11,649
Bernard who is our archivist there as

1986
01:34:15,899 --> 01:34:14,530
far as YouTube goes I believe but we got

1987
01:34:18,419 --> 01:34:15,909
the three or four and

1988
01:34:21,330 --> 01:34:18,429
new episodes of exploring bizarre up

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there with our great animated

1990
01:34:26,580 --> 01:34:23,590
introduction said we're monologues that

1991
01:34:29,069 --> 01:34:26,590
we do every week that has made this show

1992
01:34:31,169 --> 01:34:29,079
so famous and of course ugh a go to

1993
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amazon.com look for our books and

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subscribe to the conspiracy a journal

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dot-com and Tesla every week I do yeah

1996
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yeah well Tim Sports is the editor of

1997
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the online edition and I'm the publisher

1998
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of the printed edition in fact we are

1999
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mailing out now a whole new catalog in

2000
01:34:57,479 --> 01:34:53,590
addition of the conspiracy issue journal

2001
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it's issue 49 so I you know I've been

2002
01:35:03,540 --> 01:35:01,150
doing this so long that it's it's a

2003
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:03,550
that's a miracle I would say right right

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right on right on right off the bat oh

2005
01:35:18,810 --> 01:35:15,909
well I'm working on the upcoming

2006
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addition to the blood monsters book or

2007
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whatever the it also to Jeff the talking

2008
01:35:34,979 --> 01:35:32,729
this is something that I have looked

2009
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forward to for so many years we actually

2010
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found a copy that we didn't have to pay

2011
01:35:44,819 --> 01:35:41,530
$1,000 for of Harry prices book that was

2012
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written in 1936 and it's almost

2013
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impossible to get so we will have it a

2014
01:35:52,890 --> 01:35:50,289
reprint of that with our own new

2015
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:52,900
material because not only does Jeff -

2016
01:35:59,399 --> 01:35:54,610
talking Mongoose talk but there are

2017
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other strange talking animals and even a

2018
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talking stone oh there you go good night

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